Yes but doing that should still cancel if an obstruction is detected, rather than closing on people which would only normally happen when the door close was initiated by the guard/driver as appropriate for DOO stock. I believe the complaints were that the doors were attempting to crush people even under other circumstances (e.g. after the open period elapsed for climate control purposes, or even just after the doors were released).In relation to doors closing. I've been known to hit the close button when it's cold or hot if I'm on a train and the last people have finished getting on /off. Simply to keep the heated or cooled air in.
The doors on 195s and 331s have 'sensitive edges' which should detect anything of a certain size that they're trying to close on, they attempt to close three times and if the third attempt finds an obstruction then they give up, stay open and then need intervention. I suspect, from anecdotal accounts in here and elsewhere, that when the doors close very soon after opening (such as when guards bypass Asdo but don't press the relevant controls for five seconds, or drivers key out at the end of their journey too quickly) the doors don't behave in the way they should. Perhaps someone could confirm.Yes but doing that should still cancel if an obstruction is detected, rather than closing on people which would only normally happen when the door close was initiated by the guard/driver as appropriate for DOO stock. I believe the complaints were that the doors were attempting to crush people even under other circumstances (e.g. after the open period elapsed for climate control purposes, or even just after the doors were released).
I wasn't expecting 195s in my neck of the woods! Is this to become a regular thing?Overnight testing for Rose Hill and New Mills tonight
3Z02 Manchester Oxford Rd-Rose Hill
3Z03 Rose Hill-Piccadilly
3Z04 Piccadilly-New Mills
3Z05 New Mills-Oxford Rd
I wasn't expecting 195s in my neck of the woods! Is this to become a regular thing?
The conductor spent his time telling passengers we would not be calling at Sheffield.
Perhaps more 195s and 331s have left storage and actually entered service. Ive lost track of delivery and storage situation.The sidings at Edge Hill were virtually empty of CAF units yesterday, which is a good sign (just 2 units visible).
But still plenty languishing at Allerton
Was that the 15:51 from Liverpool? It did actually call at Sheffield, but was curtailed at Nottingham in the end, with Norwich passengers chucked off at Sheffield and told to go via Doncaster and Peterborough
No, it was the 0951 from Lime St*.
It arrived at about that time, but there was no rush to turn it round quickly and it left at 1016 (the 1016 NT Airport service was also cancelled).
Meanwhile the 0955 Oxford Road stopper had left on time but was also delayed en route so we both crawled from Hunt's Cross to Manchester.
*From RTT, this train did omit Sheffield, but it didn't seem to help much, as it was still 26 late at Nottingham.
The following Norwich service didn't fare much better.
All the delays were initially triggered by the congestion through Manchester (in both directions).
Once you've lost your path, it seems there's no catching up.
Have any more of the stored units entered service recently. My last list had:-195023 now at Edge Hill, which by my reckoning leaves just six 195s outstanding for delivery (020, 024, 025, 131-133).
@507021's blog has 195020 delivered last month195023 now at Edge Hill, which by my reckoning leaves just six 195s outstanding for delivery (020, 024, 025, 131-133).
I’ve known them do that with 319s too if they can’t get from the doors to the cab.The offset door control does seem like a terrible design flaw. Plenty of reports of conductors refusing to allow trains to leave because the aisle between the near and offside door controls was full of standing passengers, and insisting passengers got off.
I’ve known them do that with 319s too if they can’t get from the doors to the cab.
Likewise but the I've been on trains where the conductor sits in the saloon, walks around chatting with passengers or particularly on 331s hangs around the doors - even on not mad busy services.
I thought we was moving away from the newspaper reading campanologist stereotype.
Quick question, and apologies for not reading the thread. Are the 195s working the York to Blackpool services yet?
Yes. Or at least some were last Saturday passing through Leeds.
Quick question, and apologies for not reading the thread. Are the 195s working the York to Blackpool services yet?