Send the 144s to Cardiff
You're welcome to them. We're keeping the 3 car versions though
Send the 144s to Cardiff
Yeah that's fine, there are 13 2-car 144s right...?You're welcome to them. We're keeping the 3 car versions though
Yeah that's fine, there are 13 2-car 144s right...?
When can we have them...? around the middle of the month...?That's correct.
When can we have them...? around the middle of the month...?
cheers mateWait for the extra trains to spill over into Sheffield and I might consider it...
May be of interest from meeting Northen v west yorks politicians.
"Operator Northern told a meeting of Yorkshire’s political leaders that it “had a robust plan” to replace them by the end if the year.
But, when pressed for assurances that the trains would all be out of service, a spokesperson for the operator admitted “alternative options” would need to be explored if problems occurred getting new vehicles onto the tracks."
Link https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co...y-end-of-2019-but-stopped-short-of-guarantee/
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a 144 is 1 better than a 143.I still need 2 144s for haulage.
Would be nice to see them working
out of Cardiff Central.
That's a fair point! TfW should actually consider that!144012 would be ideal as a medium-term solution for the Butetown branch even after 2020 I'd have thought.
Alternative options will be derogations for 153s and any sprinters not done on time. About 20 pacers will be redundant after the May timetable change when EMUs takeover Bolton services.
It honestly feels like people want the pacers to stay so they have something to moan about. Electrification is done, all but 2 cascaded units received, 195 training agreed and 769s being tested. There are 46 weeks to get them into service and if they fall short then pacers will be the last contingency measure not the first.
I've explained before how quickly short formed services can build up.Northern Fail is reporting 107 short formed services today.
Northern Fail is reporting 107 short formed services today. I’m not sure how many diagrams that is but quite a few. The short forming seemed to be getting better, now it seems to be worse again.
It’ll be very interesting to see what happens over the next few months. I’m still quite sceptical that we’ll see the back of the Pacers this year without causing severe unit shortages. As a regular peak time traveller Northern’s intention to advertise their new trains actually has me quite concerned...
I've explained before how quickly short formed services can build up.
It isn't a shortage of 319s that prevents more trains through Bolton becoming electric. Rather the diagrams that operate on the Preston-Buckshaw Parkway-Bolton-Manchester axis are heavily interworked with services that are on non-electrified lines. There's a reluctance to change diagrams in February when they're already due to be changed in May. Secondly, and perhaps even more importantly, the power supply to the line is inadequate to operate a full electric service until the "Great Extension Lead" feed from Heyrod to Manchester Victoria is commissioned.Yes, the Bolton electrification is partially operational now with around 33-50% services running as electrics. I'd hope Northern can procure a few more 319s on short term leases so the newly spare DMUs can bolster capacity where needed elsewhere.
I've explained before how quickly short formed services can build up.
It honestly feels like people want the Pacers to stay so they have something to moan about. Electrification is done, all but 2 cascaded units received, 195 training agreed and 769s being tested. There are 46 weeks to get them into service and if they fall short then Pacers will be the last contingency measure not the first.
The toilet being locked out of use is only to avoid installing an accessible toilet (and I believe a CET). The many other PRM modifications (position of door controls, door obstruction detection mechanisms, door openable / closing sounders, 2020-compliant wheelchair space, internal and external electronic displays and automated announcements) would all still have to be carried out to be 2020-compliant.I'm more concerned over the availablity of seats as I have a funny feeling that these class 195 Civities will be a let down. I'd rather see some of the Pacer units retained for extra seating until more new builds are rolled into service even if it means locking the bog out of use (for the 142's screwing the door shut since it can't be locked from the outside) and advertising their service (as Southern do with their 313's) "no toilets available on this service".
I'd go as far as saying Northern should do a GWR and reform any Sprinter that they have into three or even four car hybrids just to create much longer units with extra seating since the 153's won't be permitted to be used other than as a luggage van.
...even if it means locking the bog out of use (for the 142's screwing the door shut since it can't be locked from the outside) and advertising their service (as Southern do with their 313's) "no toilets available on this service".
The lead story on Look North (Yorkshire version) was speculation that they might not all be gone by year end. The reporter even got to bash a Pacer.Well Northern are still insistant that a pacer won't be on their patch come the 1st of January.
I'm more concerned over the availablity of seats as I have a funny feeling that these class 195 Civities will be a let down. I'd rather see some of the Pacer units retained for extra seating until more new builds are rolled into service even if it means locking the bog out of use (for the 142's screwing the door shut since it can't be locked from the outside) and advertising their service (as Southern do with their 313's) "no toilets available on this service".
I'd go as far as saying Northern should do a GWR and reform any Sprinter that they have into three or even four car hybrids just to create much longer units with extra seating since the 153's won't be permitted to be used other than as a luggage van.
The lead story on Look North (Yorkshire version) was speculation that they might not all be gone by year end. The reporter even got to bash a Pacer.
The lead story on Look North (Yorkshire version) was speculation that they might not all be gone by year end. The reporter even got to bash a Pacer.
Smart money would be to keep any spare mk4s in decent condition just right for a struggling TOC when it can't send out units that haven't been modded. Add a seriously underutilised loco like a 67 and you're good to go. Especially if your TOC already has some potential knowledge of said loco or stock or working on similar stock beforehand.
Not sure if this is the full report you saw on TV, but this was posted on the BBC Yorkshire Facebook page:
A two carriage 195 will be 48 metres while a two carriage Pacer is only 30 metres. I know some have raised concerns about the amount of 2 car 195 units Northern have ordered but the car length is substantially larger.I'm more concerned over the availablity of seats as I have a funny feeling that these class 195 Civities will be a let down. I'd rather see some of the Pacer units retained for extra seating until more new builds are rolled into service even if it means locking the bog out of use (for the 142's screwing the door shut since it can't be locked from the outside) and advertising their service (as Southern do with their 313's) "no toilets available on this service".
I'd go as far as saying Northern should do a GWR and reform any Sprinter that they have into three or even four car hybrids just to create much longer units with extra seating since the 153's won't be permitted to be used other than as a luggage van.