Peter Mugridge
Veteran Member
By next Monday we will have 29 of our 101 new trains in service for customers
Would that be 29 units in total available for service rather than 29 daily diagrams running?
By next Monday we will have 29 of our 101 new trains in service for customers
The ones most diabolical for the passenger are the ones that don't turn up because they've broken down. The MerseyTravel units are horrible but we've coped with them for 20-odd years*. If they're in better mechanical shape then we can continue to cope for a few more weeks.I'm not so sure. They all tend to rattle on, to a lesser or greater extent, so get rod of the ones that are most diabolical for the passenger first.
"By next Monday we will have 29 of our 101 new trains in service for customers"
Would that be 29 units in total available for service rather than 29 daily diagrams running?
Unfortunately the most reliable examples usually run out of miles fastest and therefore have to be withdrawn once heavy maintenance stops. The wrecks that break down all the time spend half their life on depot so it takes longer to reach the drop dead mileage. 37412 was a good example. It was well overdue an overhaul but it hardly ever broke down so it racked up high engine hours. Other examples that failed more frequently lingered on because their engine hours were much lower.On the contrary, surely by withdrawing the most mechanically battered ones they're ensuring the remaining fleet can keep going with fewer periods of downtime, in theory reducing cancellations and short forms as a result, which the travelling public are most concerned about?
Unfortunately the most reliable examples usually run out of miles fastest and therefore have to be withdrawn once heavy maintenance stops. The wrecks that break down all the time spend half their life on depot so it takes longer to reach the drop dead mileage. 37412 was a good example. It was well overdue an overhaul but it hardly ever broke down so it racked up high engine hours. Other examples that failed more frequently lingered on because their engine hours were much lower.
Yeah, it’s not like Exam Tolerance, Classified Maintenance/Overhaul dates make any difference to the withdrawal dates!
A and B exams are mileage based. Not sure if C exams, which only happen once every few years, are time or mileage based. There is some flexibility with the bodywork overhauls (I think they are C6) because the 317s used to have them roughly once every seven years but some of the 317/6 have passed eight years now.Oh dear, I guess it's a safety thing, they require heavy maintenance after a certain number of miles?
If its more of an operational thing and a quick kick of the wheels is all that's necessary, then it's pretty dumb to withdraw the more reliable units
Northern will be hard pressed to provide any kind of comprehensive train service if they don't keep 142s running into 2020.I thought it was 144s which were staying but these three routes are Manchester-based and so only have 142s. It seems that there are additional routes keeping 144s.
I'm led to believe that next Monday, October 21st, is a day to watch for more new train introductions, but with the end of the year, and the PRM-TSI deadline, not so far away now it seems unlikely that Northern would be able to withdraw 79 class 142 units from service in 11 weeks rather than the 11 - 12 months that was originally planned.
It was reported on here as having had components removed, so at this point I'd regard reports of a resurrection with skepticism.Ive heard that 142 005 is back in service. Does anyone know what paths it is operating on? Will I see it in York?
It’s currently at Newton Heath with a passenger door removedIve heard that 142 005 is back in service. Does anyone know what paths it is operating on? Will I see it in York?
Ive heard that 142 005 is back in service. Does anyone know what paths it is operating on? Will I see it in York?
Just out of interest. Unit 142046 was in store at Heaton but was seen a few weeks later operating in the Doncater area. Anybody know if this unit has returned to the Newcastle depot or is it running around in everyday service? The other 5 stored units except 142066 have appeared in the NE area for the odd day or so in service but returned back to the said depot on the evening to be stored once more.
Worked the 17:13 Man Vic - Kirkby with its usual partner 040 today.Just out of interest. Unit 142046 was in store at Heaton but was seen a few weeks later operating in the Doncater area. Anybody know if this unit has returned to the Newcastle depot or is it running around in everyday service? The other 5 stored units except 142066 have appeared in the NE area for the odd day or so in service but returned back to the said depot on the evening to be stored once more.
First path cancelled, other 2 ran.A number of paths Neville Hill to Heaton which may Pacers or 158s displaced by tomorrow's introduction of 195s perhaps.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/X66071/2019-10-20/detailed
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O50224/2019-10-20/detailed
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K62114/2019-10-20/detailed
Anyone confirm
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Both around the North East on Friday.142009 and 142052 are now in warm storage.
Both around the North East on Friday.
I thought they weren't going to operate any services up there.Newcastle drivers start learning 144s today.