Northern timetable plan for May 2018

[pemma]

Just to clarify, does this mean that the Buxton and the Chester services will be run by a common pool of units, or will there be services which start at Chester and go via Manchester to Buxton?

Almost certainly separate services operated by the same units.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Just to clarify, does this mean that the Buxton and the Chester services will be run by a common pool of units, or will there be services which start at Chester and go via Manchester to Buxton?

Probably a pool.

 

[Bovverboy]

According to MCRUA they'll be more inter-working between Buxton and Mid-Cheshire line services from May 2018.

Even on the existing running times, interworking the Chester and Buxton services would reduce the number of DMU sets in use (on the basic hourly service) from seven to six, yet still permit an average turnround time of around fifteen minutes. At present the turnround times are abnormally generous. If the Chester journeys go skip-stop at the same time, this will add a few extra minutes to turnround times.

 

[Bovverboy]

Basic Off-Peak departure times from Manchester Piccadilly:

XX:09 Greenbank, calling at Stockport, Navigation Road, Altrincham, Hale, Ashley, Mobberley, Knutsford, Plumbly, Lostock Gralam, Northwich and Greenbank

XX:40 Chester, calling at Stockport, Altrincham, Hale, Knutsford, Northwich and Greenbank, Cuddington, Delamere, Mouldworth and Chester

So anyone wishing to travel from Navigation Road, Ashley, Mobberley, Plumley, or Lostock Gralam to points beyond Greenbank is going to have at least a c.20 minute wait at Greenbank (or wherever else they choose to change).

 

[LOL The Irony]

So anyone wishing to travel from Navigation Road, Ashley, Mobberley, Plumley, or Lostock Gralam to points beyond Greenbank is going to have at least a c.20 minute wait at Greenbank (or wherever else they choose to change).

Remember that this is the users association and not the DfT or Northern so it could be wrong. Best thing to do is wait for the May timetable to be released.

 

[pemma]

So anyone wishing to travel from Navigation Road, Ashley, Mobberley, Plumley, or Lostock Gralam to points beyond Greenbank is going to have at least a c.20 minute wait at Greenbank (or wherever else they choose to change).

Remember that this is the users association and not the DfT or Northern so it could be wrong. Best thing to do is wait for the May timetable to be released.

The calling patterns posted by Thomas6187 are what Northern put in the Stakeholder consultation document, not what was reported by MCRUA. If it stays the same as in the consultation document the Mon-Fri Chester services will make additional calls in the morning peak, around school/college finishing times, in the evening peak and post-7pm when the additional Greenbank services won't run.

MCRUA weren't happy about that proposal but Mon-Fri 99.9% of passengers will either get an improved service or a service that still meets their needs e.g. most off-peak passengers from Mobberley (which is a low number anyway) travel towards Altrincham and beyond. However, on Saturdays there is more demand for Chester and Delamere.

 

[LOL The Irony]

The calling patterns posted by Thomas6187 are what Northern put in the Stakeholder consultation document, not what was reported by MCRUA. If it stays the same as in the consultation document the Mon-Fri Chester services will make additional calls in the morning peak, around school/college finishing times, in the evening peak and post-7pm when the additional Greenbank services won't run.

MCRUA weren't happy about that proposal but Mon-Fri 99.9% of passengers will either get an improved service or a service that still meets their needs e.g. most off-peak passengers from Mobberley (which is a low number anyway) travel towards Altrincham and beyond. However, on Saturdays there is more demand for Chester and Delamere.

I guess that they could extend the stopping service on Saturdays to Chester and during summer, have the semi-fast stop Delamere & Chester only. Also congrats on post #666

 

[Ianno87]

So anyone wishing to travel from Navigation Road, Ashley, Mobberley, Plumley, or Lostock Gralam to points beyond Greenbank is going to have at least a c.20 minute wait at Greenbank (or wherever else they choose to change).

Surely more people overall benefit from trains to/from Manchester being at a half hourly interval than would benefit from designing the lowest possible connection time for the cross-Greenbank passengers from the smaller stations?

 

[Bovverboy]

Surely more people overall benefit from trains to/from Manchester being at a half hourly interval than would benefit from designing the lowest possible connection time for the cross-Greenbank passengers from the smaller stations?

Quite, I was simply making a point that I thought may have been overlooked. Yes, the vast majority of travellers will benefit from the changes.

 

[ashworth]

Surely more people overall benefit from trains to/from Manchester being at a half hourly interval than would benefit from designing the lowest possible connection time for the cross-Greenbank passengers from the smaller stations?

Exactly the same thing happened recently on the Nottingham to Lincoln Line. Most of the hourly trains to Lincoln now run non stop between Nottingham and Newark and the smaller stations are served by the Matlock to Newark hourly stopping train. I know some passengers from stations like Carlton and Lowdham were not happy with an approx 30 minutes wait at Newark Castle for a connection to Lincoln. However, Nottingham to Lincoln needed speeding up and that was probably the best way of doing it. Many of the smaller stations between Nottingham and Newark now have a more frequent service than they have had for years, but now very few through trains to Lincoln.

 

[northernchris]

Will Northern have enough units to deliver the timetable given the cascades seem to be running behind schedule?

 

[pemma]

Will Northern have enough units to deliver the timetable given the cascades seem to be running behind schedule?

90% of the proposed May 2018 changes are postponed December 2017 changes, so they already have allowed for a 6 month delay in getting additional units. The cascade of 150s from GWR to Northern which was supposed to start in September, is now starting to happen.

 

[northernchris]

Will the 150s alone be enough?

 

[LOL The Irony]

Will the 150s alone be enough?

Remember that the ScotRail 156's, 158's and 170's are coming along with the 195's so it will be enough.

 

[northernchris]

Will the 156s 158s and 170s be with Northern by May? Thought they were a bit later in the year?

 

[pemma]

Scotrail units won't be here before June. They'll also be the 769s and any units freed up by North West electrification.

 

[absolutelymilk]

Scotrail units won't be here before June.

How come? I thought there would be plenty of 385s operating from March onwards? Not to mention the HSTs.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Does anyone know why the Airport - Blackpool services are moving to Macclesfield?

 

[Thomas6187]

There will be a Blackpool-Airport and a Blackpool-Macc per hour

 

[LOL The Irony]

ah. So 2 northern connect services to Blackpool an hour with the Barrow/Windermere still joined onto one?

 

[Thomas6187]

The Barrow/Windermere is a seperate train per hour

 

[thealexweb]

It's great to see that Manchester to Preston will be 5tph all the way through the daytime.

 

[absolutelymilk]

It's great to see that Manchester to Preston will be 5tph all the way through the daytime.

The two Blackpool services, the TPE and the Barrow/Windermere makes four, what's the other one?

 

[LOL The Irony]

The two Blackpool services, the TPE and the Barrow/Windermere makes four, what's the other one?

Buxton - Blackpool

 

[thealexweb]

The two Blackpool services, the TPE and the Barrow/Windermere makes four, what's the other one?

Transpennine Express
Edinburgh Waverley / Glasgow Central - Manchester Airport

Northern
Barrow-in-Furness / Windermere - Manchester Airport
Blackpool North - Manchester Airport
Blackpool North - Macclesfield
Preston - Manchester Victoria

 

[LOL The Irony]

Transpennine Express
Edinburgh Waverley / Glasgow Central - Manchester Airport

Northern
Barrow-in-Furness / Windermere - Manchester Airport
Blackpool North - Manchester Airport
Blackpool North - Macclesfield
Preston - Manchester Victoria

So is Buxton - Blackpool ending?

 

[thealexweb]

So is Buxton - Blackpool ending?

Yep, I believe most if not all Buxton / Hazel Grove services will be terminating at Manchester Picadilly.

 

[PR1Berske]

I believe that in place of Buxton services, there will be equivalent direct trains from Lancashire (Blackpool? Preston?) to Stoke-On-Trent

 

[thealexweb]

I believe that in place of Buxton services, there will be equivalent direct trains from Lancashire (Blackpool? Preston?) to Stoke-On-Trent

I think Stoke-On-Trent is a Sunday only extension.

 

[Halish Railway]

Which train is doing the stop at Layton?