No problem! Platform capacity seems to be one of the biggest constraints at Nottingham - even with a fair few shunts to the East (to free a platform), there's still plenty of platform sharing that can very easily go wrong. On more than one occasion, I've spent a few frustrating (only because I was always aiming for a +2 connection...so I suppose I can't really complain!) minutes sitting on the Northern unit outside the station, waiting for the (late) ex-Matlock train to run in first: essential to avoid trapping the back working to Leeds!
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East Midlands Trains now have full timetables for their services on their website for during the closure of Nottingham Station for 6 weeks this summer.
It appears that the Norwich-Liverpool service must be running via Derby (not stopping) because it will also not be stopping at Alfreton. Instead of the expected bus link from Nottingham to Alfreton for services to/from northern destinations, passengers travelling to Manchester/Liverpool etc will have bus connections from Nottingham to East Midlands Parkway. No details yet but there are bus connections from Nottingham to Alfreton connecting with the Northern services to/from Leeds.
Referring back to my original posting asking for information about Robin Hood Line Services my original fears have come true. No Robin Hood Line Services at all for 6 weeks. Plenty of buses serving the route but mainly focused on faster bus connections between Mansfield and Nottingham and to a lesser extent from other stations on the line to/from Nottingham. Journeys between intermediate stations are not so easy, making the journey that I need to make between Hucknall and Sheffield very difficult and taking nearly 3 hours for a journey that is only about 45 minutes by road!
What will my alternatives be?
1. Rail replacement buses from Hucknall to Mansfield, then another bus from Mansfield to Worksop, then a 30 minute wait for a train to Sheffield.
2. Rail repacement buses from Hucknall to Nottingham, then another bus from Nottingham to East Midlands Parkway, then train to Sheffield. (Higher fare than via Worksop).
3. Rail replacement bus from Hucknall to Nottingham, then another bus from Nottingham to Alfreton, then train to Sheffield (Higher fare than via Worksop).
I suppose a much easier route would be to get a service bus from Hucknall to Mansfield and then from Mansfield to Sheffield, although the Mansfield to Sheffield bus is not very frequent. Unfortunately as one bus is operated by Trent/Barton and the other by Stagecoach it will require two separate full price tickets as Zigzag or Explorer tickets will not cover the whole journey.
It appears that the Norwich-Liverpool service must be running via Derby (not stopping) because it will also not be stopping at Alfreton. Instead of the expected bus link from Nottingham to Alfreton for services to/from northern destinations, passengers travelling to Manchester/Liverpool etc will have bus connections from Nottingham to East Midlands Parkway. No details yet but there are bus connections from Nottingham to Alfreton connecting with the Northern services to/from Leeds.
Referring back to my original posting asking for information about Robin Hood Line Services my original fears have come true. No Robin Hood Line Services at all for 6 weeks. Plenty of buses serving the route but mainly focused on faster bus connections between Mansfield and Nottingham and to a lesser extent from other stations on the line to/from Nottingham. Journeys between intermediate stations are not so easy, making the journey that I need to make between Hucknall and Sheffield very difficult and taking nearly 3 hours for a journey that is only about 45 minutes by road!
What will my alternatives be?
1. Rail replacement buses from Hucknall to Mansfield, then another bus from Mansfield to Worksop, then a 30 minute wait for a train to Sheffield.
2. Rail repacement buses from Hucknall to Nottingham, then another bus from Nottingham to East Midlands Parkway, then train to Sheffield. (Higher fare than via Worksop).
3. Rail replacement bus from Hucknall to Nottingham, then another bus from Nottingham to Alfreton, then train to Sheffield (Higher fare than via Worksop).
I suppose a much easier route would be to get a service bus from Hucknall to Mansfield and then from Mansfield to Sheffield, although the Mansfield to Sheffield bus is not very frequent. Unfortunately as one bus is operated by Trent/Barton and the other by Stagecoach it will require two separate full price tickets as Zigzag or Explorer tickets will not cover the whole journey.
CallySleeper
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Unfortunately due to the nature of the journey (Hucknall is out in the sticks!) the service bus option may be better. Frequencies will be better but journey time will still be ~2.5 hours. If you can get the bus from Alfreton and change in Chesterfield you can do it in two hours... (Or even get the train!!!)
I haven't seen the RR timetables but if you decide bus via Mansfield, consider that RR bus to Mansfield may be quicker (TB threes operate every 10 mins but can take an hour). Don't know if options 2/3 are much quicker.
I haven't seen the RR timetables but if you decide bus via Mansfield, consider that RR bus to Mansfield may be quicker (TB threes operate every 10 mins but can take an hour). Don't know if options 2/3 are much quicker.
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High Dyke
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Staff had their booklet handed to them during this last week.
Services towards Norwich call at Alfreton approx: xx.07 past each hour to Norwich. Services towards Liverpool run via Derby (stopping) from East Mids Pkway.
Alternatively Northern services do run and terminate / start at Langley Mill / Alfreton / Beeston depending on the time of day / date.
My earlier posting on this did say "subject to change."
Can you get to Langley Mill or Alfreton easily?
High Dyke
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LOL. Signalboxes as in a desk at a computer screen in a bland building distant to the area it controls.
brianthegiant
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Looks like they're managing to terminate quite a few services at Beeston, will be popular I think, temporary 100 space car park (presumably the one next to P2 owned by HSBC as part of Beeston business park).
It's all going on in Beeston, what with half the streets closed for Net phase 2 as well..
The new Tram bridge over Queens Road to the south of Nottingham Station looks nice, tubular constructions are quite elegant.
It's all going on in Beeston, what with half the streets closed for Net phase 2 as well..
The new Tram bridge over Queens Road to the south of Nottingham Station looks nice, tubular constructions are quite elegant.
Yes, I saw that yesterday (although I would have preferred the original Great Central bridge!)
Presumably the middle bit over the platforms is to be installed during the blockade?
Is the new bridge over all lines at Lenton South Junction also part of the NET extension?
CallySleeper
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Yes it is.
For my small number of day returns I have to do during the blockade from Hucknall to Sheffield I will drive up the M1 to Meadowhall and park there.
My bigger problem is when I am due to visit friends in Poulton le Fylde near Blackpool travelling out on Thurs 25th July and returning on Sat 3rd August.
I would like to be able to go by train and leave the car at home but I do think the journey from Hucknall is going to be quite difficult and time consuming.
I'm not making any decisions until I've seen in a few weeks time what Advance Purchase tickets may be available including splitting at Sheffield or Manchester. I will certainly take the car if due to the blockade at Nottingham there is no alternative other than the full price of over £60 return.
From where I live, near Hucknall, I can travel by bus to Sheffield changing at Mansfield, Chesterfield changing at Newstead Abbey, Alfreton changing at Kirkby in Ashfield and if I walk into Hucknall even direct to Langley Mill but that's only hourly and may not connect with the hourly train. I'm leaving my options open to see what happens but certainly having no train services north from Hucknall to Worksop is going to cause a lot of inconvenience for me.
CallySleeper
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It's a pity despite the road network you can only really get to Mansfield or Nottingham directly. It's also a pity the old 747 no longer runs! Have you also considered NE? Coaches run Broadmarsh - Sheffield fairly frequently all day.
Just having looked at the revised timetables on the EMT website, I noticed that during the week or so that trains from Skegness are accessing the eastern end of the station, Grantham seems to be doing very well with one train and one bus per hour to Nottingham, in addition to one direct bus per hour to East Midlands Parkway.
But there's no service to East Midlands Parkway on a Saturday. Does anyone know if this is an omission, or do they think no-one will want to connect with the Norwich-Liverpool service on a Saturday, or will go via EC to Peterborough instead?
But there's no service to East Midlands Parkway on a Saturday. Does anyone know if this is an omission, or do they think no-one will want to connect with the Norwich-Liverpool service on a Saturday, or will go via EC to Peterborough instead?
Eagle
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Can't find any indication of what XC will be doingwill they terminate at Beeston too or just go as far as Derby (to connect with the fast buses via the A52)?
Might just be somewhat more difficult (or expensive) to hire in coaches at the weekend so they cut back a bit.
Might just be somewhat more difficult (or expensive) to hire in coaches at the weekend so they cut back a bit.
CallySleeper
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I've a feeling gut/what I read somewhere that they're only going as far as Derby, but don't quote me.
Eagle
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Yep. And the fact that any traveller will have had several months of notice about that.
Qwerty133
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would have thought with notice it would be easier as there are no school contacts on a saturday
Hi,
Which box does Nottingham come under now before the changeover, and after the blockade and engineering works which location is taking over the movements at Nottingham?
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Nottingham station is currently controlled by Trent Power Box. After the signalling upgrade I believe it will be East Midlands Control Centre.
Indeed, it's worked from the last remaining panel in Trent PSB and will be going onto a new workstation in the EMCC. There'll be, if I'm not mistaken, a second workstation covering the current workload of Sneinton, Netherfield and Rectory Jn boxes (and, ultimately, the boxes further out towards Grantham and Newark, I'd guess - sadly!)
Boothby97
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That is the correct answer
From the CrossCountry website
Trains between Nottingham and Cardiff Central will run between Derby and Cardiff Central
Buses will run between Derby and Nottingham
A shuttle train service will run between Derby and Beeston. Passengers for Spondon, Long Eaton, Attenborough and Beeston should change trains at Derby
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Thanks, Sam
High Dyke
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That seems to be the plan... Yet only a few years ago the talk was of Allington Jn taking control of signalling functions between there and Netherfield Jn, where it would fringe to EMCC. Techs even measured up Allington SB to see how they could fit a second panel alongside the current one. How times change!
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Eagle
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I can't tell whether that shuttle service is an actual one run by XC (which would be odd as they only normally serve Spondon and Attenborough a couple of times a day), or whether that's just instructing people to use the EMT Matlock to Beeston service.
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The section of the bridge to go over the station is already there!
The part of the bridge currently over Queens Road was assembled in a compound at the side of Queen's Road and slid across a few weeks ago.
The next section is now being constructed in the compound, and the whole bridge will shortly be slid again, joining up with the old GC viaduct where Station Street stop is now.
To enable this, the footbridge from Station Street to the Rail Station footbridge has been close and will be removed.
Once complete, Station Street in it's current location will close, though the lift and stairs will be left in situ. There will then be a footpath over the new bridge adjacent to the tramway linking the existing Station Street access to the new stop which will be nearer the Station car park, and Canal Street. There will also be a bridge from the car park, via the tram stop, into the booking hall at the station.
The original piles from the 1890s have been used for the new bridge supports on Station Street and the support from the centre of Platform 4s building..... shows the Victorians built stuff to last! The bridge support for the original bridge on plat4 ended up inside the building as the GC bridge was built before the Midland Station was rebuilt in the 1900s.
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CrossCountry will be running to Beeston, and I think that ties in with the EMT Matlock service so you'll have two an hour to Derby from Beeston, and one an hour from Beeston to London.
Alfreton will only see Liverpool to Norwich trains, all Norwich to Liverpool trains will run via Derby where the additional unit will be attached, on the southbound run it is being detatched at Chesterfield.
That's interesting, will it then run empty to Derby in order to be re-attached for the northbound service?
pjnathanail
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I though Alfreton was only being served by Leeds trains, otherwise they would have to reverse. And they can't be putting units on and off at Derby because they are not stopping
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