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yorksrob

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I prefer a real newspaper to read on the train - hurts the eyes less. I go online at the weekends though as the weekenders are just too much paper and I find the idea of carrying it all to the recycling off-putting. I guess that makes me lazy.
 

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As a journalist, I'm very concerned at how things are going. I'm caught between being paid for my writing in a magazine, to the stuff I do for free on the net (blogs, forums and so on). I set up my first website in 1994 with news, run partly as a hobby, which is no different to the bloggers doing it now - mostly for free. I write on here, and elsewhere, and so do you - but we're not paid. In a way, much of what we say is more valid than the traditional press on any given subject, but we still need the mainstream media. When MJ died, after 7/7, 9/11 and anything else that happens in the future - I bet people will turn to TV and the papers, and not just rely on refreshing a website page for updates.

Monetisation is the golden word; and few succeed online (and even fewer can maintain a revenue stream long term as more and more sites set up). Even big sites have given the impression they're doing well, to attract advertising and even venture capital - but then it has become clear they were rather creative with the truth, and the sites fail. Some make money selling their site with a supposed-value before it happens, and I guess we should say 'good for them' but how does this help us in the future?

I can see why papers are worried that they're producing mostly decent editorial and run the risk of cutting back on staff and having to work in an environment where people expect things for free; and it is a bold step to start charging for news today. In a way, I hope it works as the bloggers are often doing things for fun, then move on - many hoping to actually get a paid-for job as a real journalist.

There's also the problem of traditional print and television media reporting news, and the bloggers that report on it and give their opinions. Often with the benefit of getting inside information, on account of being privy to more information than the average newspaper may get. That's because many blogs are very specialist, and instead of reading a paper covering many subjects, the reader simply jumps from site to site.

If everything goes as it does, we'll lose the papers and independent television stations and it will be the BBC that keeps going, producing quality editorial on the web - because we will be paying through the licence fee.

Where does it end in 5 or 10 years? I sometimes wonder whether the Government will be forced to increase the fee, or share the licence fee, with other forms of media - or perhaps place a tax on any device (phone, netbook, PDA, MID etc) that can get access to media, whether news, music or video. Then we get the truly free environment we supposedly want, but with some money going to those who create the media we want to download for free.

Otherwise we simply expect advertisers to fund it all - and that's incredibly naive as people will always be one step ahead on how to avoid seeing all the ads. Even if you end up with loads of ads on your browser and can't stop them, there's still no chance that anyone will click on them anyway.

And you know what? Even I don't buy newspapers - and just take the free ones (Metro, London paper, London Lite) and maybe the ES when it's given out free after 8/9pm. So, even I am helping to ensure the death of paid for content.
 
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Well it must be a very worrying time to work in the media. I think there will be a whole structural change, especially in newspaper journalism. I think magazines will move more online but may survive a lot longer. I certainly hope so, many railways magazines are the only real way to find about what's really going on, even if you work for the industry! I certainly don't read very much 'educational' stuff online, and most of the news is coming from newspapers and other links, for the most part it's a load of chit chat, a good deal of it highly inaccurate.

It may be for the most part, unless its really specialist, journalism may be just something that is done free. Take Railway modeller, most of the articles have always been written by enthusiasts, so it wouldn't be too hard to imagine an online version complied and put together by a small team supported by advertising, and mostly written by contributors.

I think journalists have one big problem - like lawyers, estate agents, MPs etc, they aren't exactly seen as loveable figures and in some ways people just might not care if whole national titles go bust. That would be rather short sighted though, what would happen to investigative journalism and holding powerful people to account publicly? Sure anyone can start a blog, but would it really have the same respect or trust that published journals have? This has important implications for democracy. I suppose cynics might say, Fleet street is out of control and most of what you read in papers can't be trusted anyway, and is the fare of lobby groups and axe grinders, political bias and commercial manipulation.

Maybe online can compete, certain sites and writers will, over time become respected?

There's certainly no shortage of people who want to become part of the media, I suspect though most of them didn't realise they would be doing it for nothing should a business model to make it pay not be found.
 

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I think people are starting to see the difference between 'proper' journalism and bloggers. Each has their place, and God help us all if it ever became ONLY bloggers - people who often just post opinion, inaccurate information or even downright lies.

Obviously not all of them by any stretch of the imagination, but while ordinary journos can often sell out or have their agendas, most still understand the importance of honesty and integrity. Bloggers can, and do, write what they want and feel they should have the freedom to do so.

As I said, when something serious happens; we turn to the mainstream media - although it was a website (TMZ.com) that first reported the death of Michael Jackson, but that may have been luck more than anything else. Another factor is that the ordinary media do generally require certain facts to be checked before going in for the breaking news. I know people may not believe it, but Sky and the BBC each have to wait until they can confirm things now - after too many stories where, say, the number of deaths went down over time.

That said, I am personally quite interested in the current trend of reporting news by quoting another source/site, as if to say 'we're going to put this on the front page - but if it's wrong, don't blame us - it's the fault of xyz.com'. Does this allow traditional journalists to skip the basic checks that should ensure that what you read in a newspaper or on TV is correct?
 

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I wonder how many people are actually likely to subscribe to such a service. Academics & students should all have access to the LexisNexis newspaper archive, and many more companies subscribe to this service.

I only read theguardian, The Times, etc. online if I want to read about a specialist area (eg: transport, education), or my local newspaper if I want local news. I'd say that 90% of the news I receive actually comes from the BBC [1] and also checking my history I haven't been on the websites at all of the five broadsheet newspapers in the last week, possibly even longer. Of course myself the majority of transport news comes from blogs or sources such as Local Transport Today/TransportXtra, Transport Times or Transport Briefing.

[1] The BBC is good for quick updates on news stories IMO, but not for opinion or if you actually want to hear a story where the source goes into great detail or assumes the reader already has some common knowledge of the subject.
 

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Well I suppose sometimes you don't want to hear opinion especially when it is a load of uninformed dross and you can't respond to it.
 
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