Oh dear, nobody wants to pay for anything

[Metroland]

A paper written by a 15-year-old schoolboy has sparked debate among leading internet businessmen.

And much-touted services on high-end mobile phones such as video messaging are also of little use to teenagers, because of the high price.

He said that teenagers find it hard to make time for television, and would rather listen to advert-free music than tune into traditional radio.

Even online, his peers find ads 'annoying and pointless'.

No teenager Robson knew reads a newspaper regularly since most 'cannot be bothered to read pages and pages of text while they could watch the news summarised on the internet or on TV'.

The only newspapers that are read are the cheaper tabloids and freesheets, he said.

He also declared that most teenagers 'are very reluctant' to pay for music and said while most of his peers have never bought a CD the majority just download tracks from illegal filesharing sites.

The response has been enormous. “We’ve had dozens and dozens of fund managers, and several CEOs, e-mailing and calling all day,”

Matthew's report is alarming for media bosses trying to work out how to make money from popular but expensive-to-run sites such as Twitter and MySpace.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rns-internet-bosses-friends-dont-twitter.html

 

[Aussie_Rail]

I don't know if its cultural differences, but I would disagree with that. I bought plenty of CD's when I was a teenager and even now I see plenty of teens coming in and out of CD shops etc.

Readings newspapers is something I did from an early age and many teens now read papers. Possibly because not everyone has access to the internet and most teens now days are on pre-paid phones and cannot afford all the fancy bits you can get.

 

[Mojo]

True, but I am sure that many of us grew up before home computing (and internet access suitable for downloading music) took off.

We didn't get our first home PC until I was in year 5 at school and that was on 56k speeds, I think now things have changed thanks to filesharing and online music downloads, etc.

Whilst we're on the subject, I just bought a song from Amazon MP3 downloads for 29p, but iTunes were charging 99p. How comes?

 

[Max]

I'm not sure I would agree - I buy CDs, I read The Times and the Independant...

I think this is just one person's opinion!

 

[asylumxl]

This is news to some people? Teenagers behaviour is pretty obvious in reality. Teens want everything on-demand quickly and cheeply.

They do not see the point of paying for music when it is not a physical product and can be downloaded with ease.

 

[Bayum]

He does have a point though.

Im surprised no one has done, and seen this coming to be honest!

Why should I have to look through a newspaper daily, when I can see it broadcast at 6, or recieve it via text?? Why bother texting, when you can do it for free on facebook??

It is all really stupid... But again - it's very biased, and only shown at a number of teens, who I feel are the majority - but then, anything based on this, will obviously be leaving out the minority - such as Mojo

 

[Mojo]

I only buy newspapers for reading when I am out, and I should imagine this makes up a lot of purchases of newspapers rather than people who could watch the news on TV or on the internet.

Similarly, many telephone contracts include unlimited or a large number of free text messages, so it's not really an issue. I would text if I need instant contact with someone neither of whom are near computers.

 

[devon_metro]

I find news.bbc.co.uk a perfect replacement for a daily newspaper. I occasionally read Sunday papers though.

 

[generalvegitable]

This is news to some people? Teenagers behaviour is pretty obvious in reality. Teens want everything on-demand quickly and cheeply.

They do not see the point of paying for music when it is not a physical product and can be downloaded with ease.

I don't I am 15 and if I want music quickly and cheaply I just nick a cd from my dad (we have the same music tastes) or if he doesn't have it I go and buy the cd so that I have a hard copy incase my computer breaks. I never use illegal stuff because it **es off the makers, I do sometimes read the newspapers but only if there is something good in them. I do enjoy watching others getting **ed off when they can't get something they want exactly when they want it

 

[GB]

. Teens want everything on-demand quickly and cheeply.
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In all honesty, with todays life style and culture I think its not only teens that want things "on-demand".

 

[asylumxl]

I don't I am 15 and if I want music quickly and cheaply I just nick a cd from my dad (we have the same music tastes) or if he doesn't have it I go and buy the cd so that I have a hard copy incase my computer breaks. I never use illegal stuff because it pi$$es off the makers, I do sometimes read the newspapers but only if there is something good in them. I do enjoy watching others getting pi$$ed off when they can't get something they want exactly when they want it

Im 20, im only 1 year older than a teen.

I buy CDs because I too like having something physical, and they are technically a higher audio quality than MP3s (all this "transparency" stuff is rubbish). I also have less mainstream taste in music. Thing is, most people I know don't care about the quality or if they lose the files, they'll hapilly listen to distortion. They don't even seem to listen to an artist long enough to warrant buying a CD. CDs are usually ludicrously expensive, which is counterproductive to their business. Maybe if they reduced the price more CDs would sell?

 

[devon_metro]

Indeed. When it's either 99p or 2 mins on Google...

 

[Mojo]

I buy CDs because I too like having something physical, and they are technically a higher audio quality than MP3s (all this "transparency" stuff is rubbish). I also have less mainstream taste in music. Thing is, most people I know don't care about the quality or if they lose the files, they'll hapilly listen to distortion. They don't even seem to listen to an artist long enough to warrant buying a CD. CDs are usually ludicrously expensive, which is counterproductive to their business. Maybe if they reduced the price more CDs would sell?

I'm different, I listen to the radio during the day but when out or at night I listen to music on my computer (connected to speakers) or on my iPod. I don't see the point in buying a CD only to have to rip the songs off the CD and into iTunes.

 

[Metroland]

Well I'm a 30 something. I have a say I think some of these CEOs are rather naive if you have tons of free stuff available, somehow people are going to pay and websites are worth billions.

I am a fan of the internet, its completely democratised commerce, a real driver of social change and connects people that would not normally meet. Having said that, I think some sectors are going to find it hard to make money. Overall I think it will never be the money spinner some think its going to be, there is just so much competition out there. For example, free news, free open source software, and shortly Microsoft are going to be launching a free music streaming service - or at least one part paid for by ads. I've now abandoned music radio, apart from a small amount of radio 2 in the evening, and only bother with downloads. It's all talk radio (4, 5, talk sport). Don't watch the TV now, all Iplayer, You tube, and DVDs.

There is now so much choice, I am much less tolerant to sit through stuff I don't like.

Newspapers are in real trouble. I tend read them online, but I'm not sure I'd pay for it unless I was travelling on a train. Even then, I have my netbook, so I can sit on the train and read them anyway! They are going to have to find a way for doing things through advertising or it will turn much more to citizen journalism.

Generally speaking, I do believe creative people should be rewarded for their work. So I'll pay for software and music. Of course, not everyone feels the same way, and if stuff can be had for free a lot of people will have it. A lot of people will give stuff away just to break into industries - though whether industries like traditional music, broadcasting, journalism or even just the idea of shops, will exist in future is anyone's guess

 

[Ferret]

Some interesting points raised - especially the last one about the future of shops. I have to say buying online is easy and lots more people are doing it! Could it ever reach the point when certain shops become obsolete? Maybe, given time. What a strange yet utterly plausible idea!

 

[Max]

Some interesting points raised - especially the last one about the future of shops. I have to say buying online is easy and lots more people are doing it! Could it ever reach the point when certain shops become obsolete? Maybe, given time. What a strange yet utterly plausible idea!

I reckon CD/DVD shops are already virtually obsolete. One of the two large media chain shops has already collapsed, leaving only one major highstreet shop (HMV). CDs and DVDs are now available so readily and cheaply on the internet, as well as in download form, that I could see the last big player disappearing at some point.

 

[Metroland]

Some interesting points raised - especially the last one about the future of shops. I have to say buying online is easy and lots more people are doing it! Could it ever reach the point when certain shops become obsolete? Maybe, given time. What a strange yet utterly plausible idea!

I've thought about this long and hard, I think the only shops that will survive is specialist, shops that sell things that you need as one offs, without the hassle of waiting for post, supermarkets, and stuff like clothes, which don't trade well over the internet. But some shops will survive IF they diversify and start online selling.

But some of this could all change with the advert of cheap 3d printers, where some goods can be printed out at home.

 

[Demps]

But when did Youngsters around the age of 15 ever read newspapers in their own time?

This overhyped rubbish.

 

[43021HST]

I am a teenager myself, I find adverts EXTREMLY ANNOYING fortunetly this sites adverts are out of the way and not obtrusive. Of course we are going to get the free stuff who wouldnt? I avoid reading newspapers because they are full of lies, right wing guff, over exagerated nonsense and adverts.

 

[poshbakerloo]

I want to be given money...

 

[90019]

I want to be given money...

Get a job then.

 

[thefab444]

full of lies, right wing guff, over exagerated nonsense and adverts.

Sounds like some of your posts on here!

 

[Oswyntail]

... I avoid reading newspapers because they are full of lies, right wing guff, over exagerated nonsense and adverts.

So how do you check what is lie or not? How do you decide what is right wing guff, or left wing guff? What checks do you put on exaggerated nonsense? You use the internet? ROFL:roll:

 

[Metroland]

Is the end of the Murdoch empire nigh?

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News Corp is set to start charging online customers for news content across all its websites.

The media giant is looking for additional revenue streams after announcing big losses.

The company lost $3.4bn (£2bn) in the year to the end of June, which chief executive Rupert Murdoch said had been "the most difficult in recent history".

News Corp owns the Times and Sun newspapers in the UK and the New York Post and Wall Street Journal in the US.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8186701.stm

 

[Chilled Phill]

Generally, I prefer to buy my music from HMV, or Amazon if it's an obscure ambient/electronic piece that doesn't seem to available anywhere. Not because of quality, but because of Digital Rights Management (DRM). Anything you download from iTunes can only be played on certain devices and computers, a audio file ripped from a CD is DRM free, and will always be.

If some teens want free music, then there's some really good music that is free to download and is 100% legal.

Newspaper wise, my family gets the Telegrath, although at work the manager tends to buy the Sun, you can honestly tell from reading it why it's 30p. Plus, specialist media is freely available on the internet, anyway. Granted, magazines are an excellent source of information, but hardly any of them cover the National Hockey League (which I'm extremely interested in) so I have to consult the web, mainly because there is little interest in Ice Hockey in the UK.

Like some others have said before me, this essay is merely overly hyped rubbish. Kids will be kids, they don't want to read newspapers because they see that as something older people will do - I'm pretty sure some of our older members, internet or not, won't of read a newspaper on a regular basis. Unless, of course, some of you have, in which I apologies and commend you for your early maturity.

 

[Metroland]

Free is all very well, but people suppose you're going to have an army of people there that do things as a hobby. That's all very well assuming that you have people with the time, skills and dedication to do it, the resources, or the contacts.

When we move into a world where everything is expected for free and nothing is valued, where does it stop?

 

[90019]

Anything you download from iTunes can only be played on certain devices and computers, a audio file ripped from a CD is DRM free, and will always be.

Apple are removing the DRM from music bought from iTunes.

 

[Mojo]

Similarly are Amazon MP3 downloads - everything they sell is DRM free.

I prefer to download from Amazon even though I have an iPod as almost everything is cheaper than iTunes (out of 11 songs I've bought in the past month, only one was from iTunes and I bought from them as it was the same price). Amazon also has a download manager that automatically files your downloads and puts them into iTunes so it's not even difficult to put onto your iPod! One song I bought on Amazon was 29p and on iTunes 99p, but most Amazon songs tend to be 69p.

 

[Aussie_Rail]

Although I read the paper online, I much prefer to read it with a nice cup of tea, then when I'm finished with it, put it out for recycling.

I think the Murdoch empire will see through the GFC and probably restrengthen when its over.

Randomness: Rupert Murdochs mother lives 5 minutes up the road from me. lol

 

[gingerheid]

I used to download music from ... ehm... places; it was easier than buying, and as you didn't end up with unplayable songs if you changed your computer and phone (I was not in a good mood that day...) you got better customer service.

Nowadays Amazon is DRM free so there's no reason not to use them, and they've become the easiest thing to use.

However I've stopped buying DVDs completely. I used to copy them onto my phone and watch them on a bus or train. I had one that had copy protection that stopped me doing that, and never bought another. It turned out I didn't really want them that much, because I've never missed them. I read eBooks instead.

I thinkt the future of shops is an odd one, as it's two types of shops that are getting hammered; both the most specialist ones and more general ones. It's only the ones somwhere in the middle that will survive.