317666
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Well, their phone shouldn't have been working in the c2c quiet coach, it has signal-blocking film over the windows.
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Policing the 'quiet coach'.
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Well, their phone shouldn't have been working in the c2c quiet coach, it has signal-blocking film over the windows.
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Is there anything wrong with just using phones? So long as you don't speak more loudly than a general conversation ("I'm on the train and will see you in 5 minutes"). And, yes, even young women should be allowed to carry on inane conversations. After all, if there were two of them chattering together at a conversational volume no one would even think of complaining. But I admit that pepole do seem to raise their voice when speaking on the phone.
And don't get me started on ring tones....
truckman060473
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whether on the phone or not i get increasingly irritated by groups of youngsters who discuss, (loud enough on purpose for others to hear) about things that they have got up to. one was saying to the other "yeah but i told you to put that cider on the checkout belt and not in your inside jacket pocket" they just don't care about announcing to others they have committed a crime. they also talk loud enough about sexually explicit topics with no consideration for any elderly passengers who may be offended.
ChrisTheRef
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Isn't that a bit wrong? Texting is silent!
37401
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was that me yesterday?
nope
, on the way back from manchester Piccallily a few months back 
In my opinion, the only thing that should be prohibited in the quiet coach are mobile 'phones. If someone's music is so loud that it can be heard by others then that is unacceptable in any part of the train, not just the quiet coach.
I'm surprised what people say about iPod headphones; I use the ones that come with my iPod and never have any noise leak out from them. Whenever I'm on a train and there is a change in the sound from the surroundings (eg. the train stops or the engines turn off) then I take my headphones out whilst leaving the music on; if I can't hear it then the people around me can't.
I'm surprised what people say about iPod headphones; I use the ones that come with my iPod and never have any noise leak out from them. Whenever I'm on a train and there is a change in the sound from the surroundings (eg. the train stops or the engines turn off) then I take my headphones out whilst leaving the music on; if I can't hear it then the people around me can't.
I assume you mean mobile phones being used as a phone as opposed to texting/Internet etc? It is a shame you can't block the signal just for calls.
Id agree with that, Im not sure what harm texting does if the phone is on silent or vibrate.
SqUaShIe P
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I 'police' the quiet coach as best I can. I announce its a quite coach after departing from larger stations, and when im checking tickets, or just passing through, and i see someone chatting away on a mobile, ill ask them them use the vestibule area insted, or if their music is way too loud, ill ask 'em to turn it down abit or to move to another carriage. I know some guards will chuck people out the quiet coach just for talking but i think thats abit much.
I can remember a few* years ago I was travveling from Manchester back to Stirling, taking Virgin WC between Warrington and Glasgow. Anyway, I had a booked seat in coach C, but there was some pillock smoking in there (coach B was the smoking carriage). Couldn't be bothered getting into an arguement about it- he was the only other person in the carriage, and I was a seventeen year old schoolboy. I think he might have looked a bit lairy, and I was a wimp.
So, I shifted myself a couple of carriages away. The intervening one was pretty empty, and then there was one with maybe about twenty other people in it. This was party central. A group of Welsh lads were on their way to see the rugby (Six Nations)- though they were planning on watching in a Glasgow pub, rather than going to Murrayfield. They had wine that they were merrily sharing with all and sundry (even the guard got offered some I think), and had a pair of tinny travel speakers hooked up to a minidisc player blasting out Catatonia, Tom Jones, Manic Street Preachers, Stereophonics, Super Furry Animals etc..
Guard passed through a few times- I think he figured that with the train so quiet elsewhere there was no real point in getting all jobsworth on them.
(how much of that seems so dated? WC loco hauled, smoking carriages, mini disc players)
*um, come to think of it, it was nine years ago. Yikes
So, I shifted myself a couple of carriages away. The intervening one was pretty empty, and then there was one with maybe about twenty other people in it. This was party central. A group of Welsh lads were on their way to see the rugby (Six Nations)- though they were planning on watching in a Glasgow pub, rather than going to Murrayfield. They had wine that they were merrily sharing with all and sundry (even the guard got offered some I think), and had a pair of tinny travel speakers hooked up to a minidisc player blasting out Catatonia, Tom Jones, Manic Street Preachers, Stereophonics, Super Furry Animals etc..
Guard passed through a few times- I think he figured that with the train so quiet elsewhere there was no real point in getting all jobsworth on them.
(how much of that seems so dated? WC loco hauled, smoking carriages, mini disc players)
*um, come to think of it, it was nine years ago. Yikes
222007
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As an RPI myself i have on a number of occasions asked people to turn down there music and as other members have stated i have qouted the conditions of grraige to them if they refuse. Also on one occasion i have had to give police statments after a fight broke out due to loud music being played. Most staff i work with are very good at keeping music and other noises dowen they best they can
aspierail
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I always use the quiet coach section on a class 450 and my experiences have been good as i don't particularly like people being on the phone or talking too loud.
Zamracene749
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The sad thing is, a fortune is spent making modern stock quieter (and in theory more relaxing) to travel on yet this just makes people and their electronic gadgets more audible- personally i'd rather be on a noisy train!
As well as impersonal stereos and loudmouths (on phones or not), passengers clattering away on laptops is another personal bugbear of mine- I shifted out of a seat in FGW 1stclass quiet coach recently to get away from a woman incessantly hammering away on the back of my (airline) seat on a laptop- 3 hours of that and i'd have been ready to strangle her....... all i wanted was a peaceful journey and some consideration?
As well as impersonal stereos and loudmouths (on phones or not), passengers clattering away on laptops is another personal bugbear of mine- I shifted out of a seat in FGW 1stclass quiet coach recently to get away from a woman incessantly hammering away on the back of my (airline) seat on a laptop- 3 hours of that and i'd have been ready to strangle her....... all i wanted was a peaceful journey and some consideration?
ChrisTheRef
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To be fair, pressing keys on a laptop really isn't that loud. Even on an electric train, sounds like passing over points or air conditioning would be louder
I think the "signal-blocking film over the windows" was merely but an attention-grabbing hypothetical announcement that c2c made when they first introduced the quiet zones: they said they were looking into perhaps eventually bringing in such a thing if it somehow might prove possible. Certainly in my (extensive) travels on c2c my mobile phone has never ceased to have reception when in the quiet zone.
(One odd thing...the newest set of automated on-train announcements used on c2c trains mentions the quiet zone (far too frequently, frankly), and the accompanying display requests people not to use "`mobile' phones" in said carriages, complete with single quotation marks around the word "mobile", which seems kind of...retro, or something)
In my experience (mostly on the main line, not the rather more wannabe-but-really-not-quite-up-to-it-yob -ridden Tilbury loop) it is usually more or less self-policed (as indeed displays of anti-social behaviour on the line often are). Only downside is you get the odd lout who thinks if carriage A is the quiet zone, he (or she) can blast out tuneless music from his I-pod-substitute at loud volume in another carriage, at least until someone else tells him or her to stop it. Also, on the late night trains that usually have security guards on (fewer than used to be the case), said guards tend to gravitate to the quiet zone carriage, presumably to aid any necessary implementation of the zone. Main thing they seem to do on the rest of the train is occasionally tell people to take their feet off seats. (Which may well be a good reason why the guards are on fewer trains than previously: I imagine they have a rather more valuably reassuring presence at certain stations where they seem to spend rather more time nowadays)
The guards that worked for Wagn/FCC seemed to act as if they'd been told not to get involved with anything - so they'd walk through the train, look 'hard' then get to the end and pull out their mobile and play games.
Okay, so they could call for assistance or perhaps deal with a fight or something - but otherwise they were useless. You don't see them anymore, so I wonder if FCC has got rid of them now it has, what, 4 PCSOs?!
A stark contrast to the guards that were used in Sweden, who were alleged to take the law into their own hands with problem makers (grafitti, fighting) and fare evaders! Now it seems the guards are part of the police and have toned things down - but they still dress somewhat more menacing than BTP.
Okay, so they could call for assistance or perhaps deal with a fight or something - but otherwise they were useless. You don't see them anymore, so I wonder if FCC has got rid of them now it has, what, 4 PCSOs?!
A stark contrast to the guards that were used in Sweden, who were alleged to take the law into their own hands with problem makers (grafitti, fighting) and fare evaders! Now it seems the guards are part of the police and have toned things down - but they still dress somewhat more menacing than BTP.
Polls
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You haven't been on one of my trains then!!!
That said, it's nigh on impossible to police simply because I've got several other carriages to deal with too so can't be in the quiet coach all the time. It relies on people policing it for themselves!
and I am one of those citizens. Nothing can annoy me more than kids playing ramped up tinny sounding, poorly written rap/hip hop music in a public place. I always say....'do you like this music?' to which they answer 'yeah' if they can manage the effort of breath that it takes, to which I will reply 'well then why don't you listen to it with some decent headphones instead of hearing it through your crap mobile phone speaker?!'. It has worked a couple of times but most times I just get a lot of teeth sucking.
45378
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It looks as though Virgin staff have been given a reminder to enforce quiet coaches - last couple of trips on WCML have seen 'supportive interviews' given by them to miscreants.
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I'm quite surprised at that as my experience of 450s is that the notices may as well not be there.
73110
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I once traveled First class in the quiet coach from Bristol to London. My phone went shortly after departure, it was my best mate. We chatted for about 5 mins then I hung up. As I was taking my jacket off to settle in the woman in the next row up from me politely pointed out this was the quiet coach!
The signs were on the doors as you enter the carriage but my door was open as three of us had walked in together and there were no stickers on the windows like they have on Virgin first class.
I apologised to all sitting around me who were pretty cool about it when I explained that Virgin have the stickers on the windows and these don't and I missed the door ones as I was second through it.
No-one at the time told me to shut up though!!
The signs were on the doors as you enter the carriage but my door was open as three of us had walked in together and there were no stickers on the windows like they have on Virgin first class.
I apologised to all sitting around me who were pretty cool about it when I explained that Virgin have the stickers on the windows and these don't and I missed the door ones as I was second through it.
No-one at the time told me to shut up though!!
I must admit, when I first saw an "announcement" stating that I had a laugh. In that, I presume the signal blocking would also work around the metallic structure of the train that is evident on all trains. Of course, looking at it light heartedly, the signal is only conveyed through open windows.
ChrisEJ1993
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Reminads me of a journey me and my Mum had from Cardiff Central to Paddington. We had booked in the quiet carriage in the hope that we would be able to sleep, because it was a long day of travelling.
Instead, we were sat behind the noiseyest family in the world, who had decide to bring their laptop and play music OUT LOUD to the quiet carriage.
So much for that plan then!
It was easier to sleep on the crowded Southern class 377 back home from Victoria that evening than it was in the quiet coach, and that was packed!
Instead, we were sat behind the noiseyest family in the world, who had decide to bring their laptop and play music OUT LOUD to the quiet carriage.
So much for that plan then!
It was easier to sleep on the crowded Southern class 377 back home from Victoria that evening than it was in the quiet coach, and that was packed!
317666
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The best quiet coach intrustion I heard was on a FGW HST en-route to Penzance, severely overcrowded. A group of students AND a hen party heading to Newquay decided to completely take over Coach C of the train, and one man who had reserved a seat there came into Coach A and shouted "They're playing ****ing Lady Gargoyle and sitting in my ****ing seat!" Even though he broke the silence, I couldn't help laughing!
Someone earlier mentioned my main bugbear, the completely excessive amount of announcements. I catch EMT trains starting at Sheffield so I get all the emergency procedures info, all the ticket validity info (which is pretty aggressive), the no smoking info, the first class and quiet coach info as well as where the train is going, all twice.
In the quiet coach.
In the quiet coach.
Ivo
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Back in March I went up to Southport for a Uni interview at Edge Hill Uni, Ormskirk. I had a reserved seat in a VT quiet coach. People were speaking quietly, as expected, but that some louts came along and starting shouting excessively [bear in mind this was at about 12:30]. Some guy asked them to be quiet, which they did (after several later requests). He then revealed that one time someone floored him for requesting a quiet journey...
TGVDUDE
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HA HA i can imagine! :') thats the best story :')
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