Possible plans for Edinburgh Waverley station?

[railjock]

Queen Margaret University is only 2 minutes walk from Musselburgh station.

I know but the service to Newcraighall is half hourly so might have worked instead of a taxi.

 

[och aye]

Any news on work starting on the new taxi rank in New Street car park or platforms 5 & 6?

 

[takno]

Any news on work starting on the new taxi rank in New Street car park or platforms 5 & 6?

5&6 still seem to be in use as sidings. I think they're working on extending 12 and 13 first since 12 is shut (https://traksy.uk/live/L+EDB+departures/M+1+EDINBUR), although I left from 13 on Saturday and didn't see anything happening there either.

 

[och aye]

A post on SSC has renders of the moving of escalators and extensions of platforms 5 & 6:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=137978195&postcount=368

17/00257/LBC | Re-location of escalator and installation of bridging platform. | Main Building Waverley Station, 4 Waverley Bridge Edinburgh EH1 1BB

 

[och aye]

Just noticed that the extended 12 is going to be very close to the ramp!

 

[jopsuk]

That narrow strip won't be a platform- that bay is single track and becomes a 2-track bay (with platform 13) at the other end of the ramp- see the layout here

 

[snowball]

Press release:

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds...g-longer-faster-trains-to-edinburgh-waverley/

Work will soon begin on a project to lengthen platforms at Edinburgh Waverley for the introduction of new longer, faster, greener trains between Edinburgh and Glasgow and on the East Coast main line.

Network Rail has awarded Carillion the £23m contract to deliver the extension works at platforms 5 and 6, to the east of the station, and 12, to the west, as Waverley prepares for Virgin East Coast’s new Azuma trains and ScotRail’s new class-385s.

The enhancements are being delivered as part of the Scottish Government’s Edinburgh Glasgow Improvement Programme (EGIP) and the Department for Transport-funded Intercity Express Programme (IEP).

The infrastructure works, and new rolling stock, will help to transform travel on both routes increasing passenger capacity and reducing journey times – by around 10 minutes between Edinburgh and Glasgow and by around 20 minutes between the two capitals.

Preparatory works to clear redundant structures and reposition the escalators at platform 11 will begin in April with main construction work on extending platform 12 due to commence in May, for completion in December 2017.

The extended platforms 5 and 6 will be completed in 2018, while the project will also deliver track remodelling work to allow more trains to use platforms 10 and 11.

Scottish Transport Minister Humza Yousaf said: “This upgrade of Edinburgh Waverley is part of the wider improvement programme, which will bring real benefits to passengers and maximize the potential of this historic station.

“By extending the platforms, we are paving the way for the introduction of the new, longer, electric train fleet between Edinburgh and Glasgow and on the East Coast main line. The new trains will bring greater capacity to Scotland’s busiest rail route and cut journey times.

“I look forward to the work being delivered with the minimum amount of disruption.”

UK Government Rail Minister Paul Maynard said: “These improved platforms at Edinburgh Waverley station will enable new Intercity Express Trains to operate, providing more reliable and efficient journeys for passengers while helping to protect our beautiful countryside from pollution.

“This is a great example of the work which is being done across the union to give passengers the improved rail services that they want.”

Rodger Querns, Network Rail programme director, said: “Edinburgh Waverley welcomes nearly 30 million passengers a year and the work we are delivering will help to make sure the station can continue to play a vital role in the economic and social life of the capital.

“Completing such a significant piece of engineering work in the heart of one of the country’s busiest stations will be a significant challenge for our engineers and contractors and we are committed to carrying out these enhancements as quickly as possible and with the minimum of inconvenience for passengers.”

Ian McConnell, the ScotRail Alliance’s programmes and transformation director, said: “Our new fleet of faster, longer, greener trains will deliver a truly enhanced experience for our customers.

“The 200 new carriages will help to reduce journey times on some routes, are more energy efficient than the current diesel trains and the extra carriages will mean that seating capacity on our busiest routes is greatly increased.”

David Horne, Virgin Trains managing director on the east coast route, said: “The introduction of our state-of-the-art Azuma fleet will enable us to transform Edinburgh’s connectivity, ushering in a new era of comfort and style on cross-border intercity routes.

“Customers will see regular Edinburgh-London journeys accelerated to around four hours and an increase in the number of destinations available directly from Scotland.”

 

[och aye]

Timeline for the platform extensions have been announced on the EGIP website:

http://www.egip.info/projects/edinburgh-waverley-platform-extensions

April 2017 – preparation works commence ahead of excavation for platform 12

May 2017 – excavation for platform 12 extension begins

May/June 2017 – excavation for platforms 5/6 begins

December 2017 – completion of platform 12

July 2018 – completion of platforms 5/6

December 2018 – commissioning of platform 10/11 crossover

 

[Clansman]

Is it just me or does platform 12 look like it's in a bit of an awkward place?
It's not exactly creating much space on the existing platform and station concourse, with the barriers and all as well.

 

[najaB]

Is it just me or does platform 12 look like it's in a bit of an awkward place?

It doesn't look too bad to me. Would be nice to see some renderings though to bring it to life properly.

 

[NotATrainspott]

Is it just me or does platform 12 look like it's in a bit of an awkward place?
It's not exactly creating much space on the existing platform and station concourse, with the barriers and all as well.

It might be an awkward place now but that's only so that it can eventually be made into a through platforms. There's no need to go to the expense of demolishing the south ramp just yet, so it isn't possible to extend Platform 13. The main concern I have is that all of the passengers for 12, 11, 6 and 7 will be funnelled through this one set of ticket barriers. I don't think the mezzanine level can come soon enough, as it would provide the opportunity for additional stairs and escalators along the length of the platforms.

 

[GW43125]

I've probably missed this somewhere, but where's the new platform 10/11 crossover? I thought there was already one just after the platform runs out?

 

[Blindtraveler]

And talking of Escalaters, where exactly is the P11 bank relocating to?

 

[jopsuk]

And talking of Escalaters, where exactly is the P11 bank relocating to?

They'll be between WH Smith and the main station building (appreciate that the illustrations shown in the thread are of limited use to you!) with the concourse end of them nearest the centre of the station. Is that a useful description?

 

[Blindtraveler]

Thanks, yes it is. Not where Id have put them myself as a number of TVM's will have to move and circulation space will be further limmited in that area.

 

[NotATrainspott]

I've probably missed this somewhere, but where's the new platform 10/11 crossover? I thought there was already one just after the platform runs out?

Right at the end of the P11/12 structure. It'll allow trains to come in on the Platform 11 line and then switch over to 10 just before the start of the platform. At the moment, Platform 11 can only be accessed from the same single line that serves 9 and 8. The more parallel movements that can be done, the better.

 

[GW43125]

Right at the end of the P11/12 structure. It'll allow trains to come in on the Platform 11 line and then switch over to 10 just before the start of the platform. At the moment, Platform 11 can only be accessed from the same single line that serves 9 and 8. The more parallel movements that can be done, the better.

I'm confusing myself here. Is this at the east or west end?

 

[NotATrainspott]

I'm confusing myself here. Is this at the east or west end?

Western end. Platform 11 becomes 7 after a scissors crossover halfway along, with 10 facing 11 and the Klondyke siding facing 7. The new crossover will boost capacity on the southern-western side of the station where most non-Fife trains terminate or run through. It will now be possible for a train to be leaving Platform 8 or 9 heading westwards at the same time as one heads into 10.

 

[GW43125]

I was thinking the wrong end then. So am I correct in thinking this is to allow a train to arrive on 10 from line X?

 

[NotATrainspott]

I was thinking the wrong end then. So am I correct in thinking this is to allow a train to arrive on 10 from line X?

Indeed it will.

 

[GW43125]

Indeed it will.

There's my issue, I was thinking of the P7/10/11 scissors halfway down. Thank you!

 

[Waverley21]

Network Rail has just sent out a mailshot to all homes with all the details, plans, pictures about the Waverley capacity upgrade.
You can find a copy here:
http://www.egip.info/media/8473/edinburgh-waverley-platform-extensions-project-leaflet.pdf

 

[iain-j]

Western end. Platform 11 becomes 7 after a scissors crossover halfway along, with 10 facing 11 and the Klondyke siding facing 7. The new crossover will boost capacity on the southern-western side of the station where most non-Fife trains terminate or run through. It will now be possible for a train to be leaving Platform 8 or 9 heading westwards at the same time as one heads into 10.

Is this crossover only going to connect the lines leading into Platform 10 and 11?
As the pointwork stands now, any trains arriving into Platforms 8, 9, and 10 from the West need to cross over to the opposing direction Southern track using the Princes Street Gardens crossovers to go through the most Southernly of the Mound tunnels.
If the crossover allowed access to Platforms 8 and 9 then this would save movements at the Princes Street Gardens crossovers and would allow train using these platforms access to two tunnels instead of one which would be beneficial during engineering works.
The same is true for platforms 18, 19 and 20 with trains departing to the West through the most Northerly tunnels.

 

[railjock]

Shame that they couldn't extend platform 3 as it would save a bit of a walk.

 

[GW43125]

Shame that they couldn't extend platform 3 as it would save a bit of a walk.

That walk is nothing compared to when you take a trip in VTEC first class and come in on 1 or 2!

 

[47271]

That walk is nothing compared to when you take a trip in VTEC first class and come in on 1 or 2!

Or arriving in P7 from Glasgow in the front coach of six car shuttle and having to walk back from Dunbar, or that's what it feels like!

 

[GW43125]

Or arriving in P7 from Glasgow in the front coach of six car shuttle and having to walk back from Dunbar, or that's what it feels like!

Or the time I walk walked halfway to haymarket (well, to the end of P19) because I thought the locohauled would arrive at that end...it stopped no further down the platform than it had to, cue running back from haymarket!

 

[me123]

Or arriving in P7 from Glasgow in the front coach of six car shuttle and having to walk back from Dunbar, or that's what it feels like!

Grrr... tell me about it! I wish they'd let the shorter trains stop further West on that platform, particularly when they're turning back to go out to the West again. Scotrail staff must get sick and tired hearing about it - I think every time it's happened to me I've seen or heard someone whinging at a poor member of staff.

 

[NotATrainspott]

Is this crossover only going to connect the lines leading into Platform 10 and 11?
As the pointwork stands now, any trains arriving into Platforms 8, 9, and 10 from the West need to cross over to the opposing direction Southern track using the Princes Street Gardens crossovers to go through the most Southernly of the Mound tunnels.
If the crossover allowed access to Platforms 8 and 9 then this would save movements at the Princes Street Gardens crossovers and would allow train using these platforms access to two tunnels instead of one which would be beneficial during engineering works.
The same is true for platforms 18, 19 and 20 with trains departing to the West through the most Northerly tunnels.

It's only the one crossover that is being installed.

 

[jadmor]

I noticed today that the east End concourse was closed for a movie, with sets being built (a Cafe Nero style shop) and many vehicles in nearby streets. Does any one know who is filming?