Possible plans for Edinburgh Waverley station?

[Chrism20]

That's quite a reversal from the usual XC pattern!

£9.20 XC only single
£12.90 off peak single

£12 XC anytime return
£18.40 off peak return.

 

[route101]

With cheaper fares you do sacrifice freq and at times xc will cancel the leg to Glasgow .

 

[47271]

With cheaper fares you do sacrifice freq and at times xc will cancel the leg to Glasgow .

Well, exactly. Using Cross Country to travel reliably between Edinburgh and Glasgow isn't something that I would do, even allowing for for the cheap tickets. I might consider it if there was a problem on the Falkirk route and I knew that one of their smelly throbbing trains is due at any moment, but that's about it. Anyway, we're well off topic here.

 

[kkong]

Because Edinburgh-Glasgow/Aberdeen are at the periphery of their network with plenty of alternative capacity so there's no need to try and price people off the trains.

XC do their best to price Aberdeen passengers off their trains.

Their XC-only Advance ticket prices Aberdeen-Edinburgh are outrageous when compared to Any Permitted or VTEC.

First Class especially so, considering there is no catering whatsoever.

 

[kkong]

Another anomaly since the January fares increase.
There are now 3 different single fares between Aberdeen and Edinburgh:

£36.70 ANYTIME DAY S - ANY PERMITTED
£37.00 ANYTIME DAY S- CROSS CNTRY ONLY
£35.50 ANYTIME S - VTEC ONLY

That's right, you can now pay 30p more than an Any Permitted to restrict yourself to using Cross Country's 2 trains a day.

 

[Waverleystu]

Is work still in progress on the new platforms since the news of Carillions collapse?

 

[reb0118]

£36.70 ANYTIME DAY S - ANY PERMITTED
£37.00 ANYTIME DAY S- CROSS CNTRY ONLY

That's right, you can now pay 30p more than an Any Permitted to restrict yourself to using Cross Country's 2 trains a day.

And passengers still buy them.

 

[reb0118]

Is work still in progress on the new platforms since the news of Carillions collapse?

Yes, AFAIAA, there does not seem to be a change of pace at present.

 

[Macwomble]

Is work still in progress on the new platforms since the news of Carillions collapse?

Maybe, but maybe not.

This photo, which appeared on Railscot today, suggests nowt's happening.

https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/62/811/

 

[railjock]

And passengers still buy them.

Not a lot when I was there on Tuesday.

 

[Taunton]

Isn't the contractor on the new platforms Story from Carlisle?

 

[najaB]

Isn't the contractor on the new platforms Story from Carlisle?

I believe you are correct, though I don't know if they're a sub-contractor to Carillion.

 

[385001]

Work progressing on platrforms 5 & 6.

 

[adrock1976]

Where the Mk IV VTEC is in the above image, is that Platforms 7 and 11?

 

[hexagon789]

Where the Mk IV VTEC is in the above image, is that Platforms 7 and 11?

The 91 is in 7, yes

 

[najaB]

The 91 is in 7, yes

I thought that end is 11?

 

[hexagon789]

I thought that end is 11?

Having looked at the photo properly (this time), yes you're correct. 7 is beyond the signal. My mistake

 

[snowball]

Press release

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds/masterplan-initiative-seeks-new-vision-for-waverley/

Edinburgh’s Waverley Station is to benefit from the creation of a Masterplan to develop the long term vision for the station.

The Waverley Masterplan will consider the future growth anticipated at the station, the impact of city centre developments on how people use it and how it can play its part in the continued success of Scotland’s capital city.

The Masterplan is being led in partnership by station owner Network Rail and City of Edinburgh Council who have formed a group comprising Transport Scotland, VisitScotland, Scottish Enterprise, Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce and other neighbouring property owners.

The group’s first aim is to understand how future growth is likely to impact footfall within the station and on the streets outside. An options appraisal will be developed to consider short, medium and long term objectives before wider consultation is undertaken with customers, user groups and other interested parties.

An initial study is expected to begin this summer, with more details made available on how to contribute to the process.

Alex Hynes, managing director of the ScotRail Alliance, which includes Network Rail Scotland, said: “Waverley has seen its footfall more than double from 10 million to over 24 million within the last ten years and estimates suggest that it will almost double again, to 40 million, by 2024. Such a steep increase is a positive indicator of the railway’s economic influence on the city and a clear sign that further investment will be required.

“We are creating additional rail provision within Waverley at present and will continue to seek new ways to create the best railway that Scotland has ever had. However, more trains mean more people and that inevitably adds to the pressure on station infrastructure and the surrounding streets.

“The Waverley Masterplan will help us to coordinate our approach and to tackle some of the issues that an increasingly busy Waverley Station raises. One organisation cannot manage this in isolation, so it is a welcome step forward to be working with City of Edinburgh Council and our other partners in the development of this plan.”

Lesley Macinnes, convener of the Transport and Environment Committee of City of Edinburgh Council, said: “Waverley Station’s location in the heart of our city centre means it plays a crucial role in the city’s transport system.

“With population and visitor numbers forecast to grow over the coming years, we need to work with partners to ensure we manage these increased numbers both in the station and in the city centre as a whole to deliver the best possible experience for all residents, commuters and tourists.”

Humza Yousaf, minister for Transport and the Islands said: “I am delighted that the combined expertise and energies of a range of parties have been brought together by the City of Edinburgh Council and Network Rail to create a long-term vision for the station and its surrounding area.

“Edinburgh Waverley is the first impression for many as they arrive in our capital city. It is both a portal to the city and wider Scotland. We’ve seen the positive difference that the redevelopment of major stations can have economically, socially and aesthetically. Accordingly, I look forward to developments at Waverley with considerable interest.”

The Waverley Masterplan follows in the footsteps of other successful joint initiatives undertaken in other major city centre stations. Kings Cross, St. Pancras, Waterloo, Leeds, Bristol Temple Meads and Birmingham New Street have all been through similar processes during the last decade.

 

[hexagon789]

Press release

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds/masterplan-initiative-seeks-new-vision-for-waverley/

40 million! That sounds like a lot, mind you I didn't realise the current figure was as high as 24 million either.

 

[Ianigsy]

XC do their best to price Aberdeen passengers off their trains.

Their XC-only Advance ticket prices Aberdeen-Edinburgh are outrageous when compared to Any Permitted or VTEC.

First Class especially so, considering there is no catering whatsoever.

Worth knowing- I have vague plans to go to Orkney at some point (starting at Leeds) and it seems to make sense to stop over at Edinburgh or possibly Perth overnight to keep the timings sensible but still make the ferry.

 

[47271]

Press release

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds/masterplan-initiative-seeks-new-vision-for-waverley/

If they're looking for a strategic vision how about they think first of all how the taxi rank might work in practical terms and move it on from its present disgraceful shambles? Sort that out and then they can have as many visions as they like.

 

[hexagon789]

If they're looking for a strategic vision how about they think first of all how the taxi rank might work in practical terms and move it on from its present disgraceful shambles? Sort that out and then they can have as many visions as they like.

Where is the taxi rank now, on the bridge?

 

[ian1944]

Press release

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds/masterplan-initiative-seeks-new-vision-for-waverley/

As a quick scan failed to reveal any of the terms "stakeholder", "sustainable" or "joined-up", surely more thought will have to go into this going forward.

 

[InOban]

On Market street, alongside the south side of the station.

 

[hexagon789]

On Market street, alongside the south side of the station.

Thanks

 

[najaB]

If they're looking for a strategic vision how about they think first of all how the taxi rank might work in practical terms and move it on from its present disgraceful shambles?

The location of the station concourse relative to the surrounding road network (the difference in elevation in particular) makes a good solution to the taxi rank location problematic to say the least. The current location is probably the least-worst option, but they could do something to make it more orderly.

 

[edwin_m]

For those of us who remember the choking fumes from the taxis in their former location on the concourse*, anywhere else would be an improvement.

*two or three 101s clagging away in 14-17 probably didn't help either.

 

[hexagon789]

For those of us who remember the choking fumes from the taxis in their former location on the concourse*, anywhere else would be an improvement.

*two or three 101s clagging away in 14-17 probably didn't help either.

Wasn't so much the fumes from the taxis, but having to dodge past them to get up the ramp.

The Shove Duffs weren't exactly "green" either

 

[swaldman]

Worth knowing- I have vague plans to go to Orkney at some point (starting at Leeds) and it seems to make sense to stop over at Edinburgh or possibly Perth overnight to keep the timings sensible but still make the ferry.

Off-topic, but, if you're starting from Edinburgh or Perth then you can comfortably make it to Thurso in a day in time for the short crossing from Scrabster, rather than having to endure the 6-7 hours on the boat from Aberdeen

 

[hexagon789]

Off-topic, but, if you're starting from Edinburgh or Perth then you can comfortably make it to Thurso in a day in time for the short crossing from Scrabster, rather than having to endure the 6-7 hours on the boat from Aberdeen

6-7 hours on a ferry is not my idea of fun!