Orange is still the colour when on the line. A platform isn't considered being on or near the line but some TOCs like platform staff to be in HV to be visible to passengers.
So you would prefer a possibly poor contractor in an orange hivi? It seems that if it was orange you'd am have nothing to complain about.
Except when working within 1.25m of platform edge from a drivers eye view what do you see
A Trained member of staff in non standard Hi Viz or B possibly poorly trained contractor endangering themselves? A repeat of Seaburn Incident
A contractor working on a platform within 1.25m would be wearing full railway PPE. Platform staff are not required to wear HV.
Contract cleaners were clearing platforms at Saltburn & certainly not dress in full PPE at time of that incident
Are T&W Metro station staff PTS trained? I seem to remember that some TOCs don't train their station staff nowadays, but they're expected to clear platforms of snow, lay grit and pick up litter, thus working 'on or near the line', as they're working within 1.25m on the platform.
You are not defined as on or near the line when on a station platform, no matter how close to the edge you are.
However, far too many people wear hi viz when it's not appropriate, which makes it less effective in protecting those that do need to be seen in potentially dangerous situations; a track worker should definately be in hi viz, but it's entirely innappropriate for ticket barrier staff, for instance.
You are if carrying out engineering or technical work within 1.25m of the platform edge.
Stations I pass through, the platform / dispatch staff wear yellow or orange HiVis, depending on the grade they are.
As said, "working" means technical or engineering work. I would argue that snow clearing would come under the heading of cleaning, (which although at times a skilled job) would not usually come under the heading of technical or engineering.
poor sod decides to try to do something helpful, and before you know it he's being Crucified for not following RAIB Instructions.
Is it any wonder people decide not to bother these days in case someone snitches on them to the Media.
As far as I'm aware, the only TOC's that require station staff to be in Orange Hi-Vis' are those who have to go "On or near the line", in line with their regular duties (ie attach or detach units).
A contractor working on a platform within 1.25m would be wearing full railway PPE. Platform staff are not required to wear HV.
Am I the only one more worried about him dumping snow on the tracks than him not wearing orange?
Speaking of inappropriate hi-vi wearing, I saw a driving instructor wearing one today! What's the point of that?
It was probably an examiner testing the learner rather than the instructor giving a lesson.
It was probably an examiner testing the learner rather than the instructor giving a lesson.
No you are not the only one, I'm concerned with what briefing/training he got for that location.
Unless part of the driving test is round the local College carpark it wasn't a test. Even so, why would an examiner need a hivis?
They may be working in an area where frequent vehicle movements take place, as I detailed above, and you never know when a bit of extra visibility may alert a driver, rider or whoever else to your presence before they crash into you. Simple.
People manage to walk through carparks everyday without getting hit. You do not need a hivis for that. I'm not the sort of person to use this cliche, but that really IS health and safety gone mad.
I agree that those standing in busy roads directing traffic need something to make them visible. However a driving instructor may need to keep one in the car in case of accidents, but not wearing one!That said, I direct traffic in car parks (with increasing regularity) for various community events, in addition to sometimes (not often) needing to use traffic management skills in emergency situations. Infrequently, it has been wholly unnecessary to wear high-visibility clothing, for example to speak to drivers whilst standing on a pavement area protected by fixed obstacles. Normally, though, high-visibility clothing is used as standard, in order that drivers can see that they will be marshalled and so they can see where the marshall is when reversing or undertaking other manoeuvres. Pedestrians who are not trained in traffic management and/or not using the appropriate PPE will be directed well away from traffic.
Orange is still the colour when on the line. A platform isn't considered being on or near the line but some TOCs like platform staff to be in HV to be visible to passengers.
I agree that those standing in busy roads directing traffic need something to make them visible. However a driving instructor may need to keep one in the car in case of accidents, but not wearing one!