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So they haven't been 95p for months

It must be differential pricing, supermarkets don't charge the same price across the country.

Attached is a screenshot from the app taken now, showing they're all 95p except, randomly, Spring Vegetable soup.

And as above, that's what I was charged last night for two tins of Oxtail on my home delivery.

Normally differential pricing works the other way around here, with everything being slightly more expensive due to the shipping costs.
 

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It must be differential pricing, supermarkets don't charge the same price across the country.

Attached is a screenshot from the app taken now, showing they're all 95p except, randomly, Spring Vegetable soup.

And as above, that's what I was charged last night for two tins of Oxtail on my home delivery.

Normally differential pricing works the other way around here, with everything being slightly more expensive due to the shipping costs.
Well you said about differential pricing, so I tried changing my location to the Isle of Man - app still gives £1.40.

Tried changing store to Douglas Superstore - still get £1.40

Its not that I don't believe you, I just wonder why the difference exists in this manner (lower not higher prices) and why I can't replicate it.
 

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I asked a while back why an item in my local Tesco was more expensive there than in another store. I was told that on some items the price will be different depending on which type of store it is (Local, Express, etc.) and they can also be further adjusted if they think that the sort of shoppers they get in will be fool enough to pay more for certain items. (That isn’t quite what the chap said.)
 

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I asked a while back why an item in my local Tesco was more expensive there than in another store. I was told that on some items the price will be different depending on which type of store it is (Local, Express, etc.) and they can also be further adjusted if they think that the sort of shoppers they get in will be fool enough to pay more for certain items. (That isn’t quite what the chap said.)
This was certainly the case with the Co-op a few years ago. Of the three stores in the town, two of them were former Alldays stores and had higher prices on certain items.
 

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I was told that on some items the price will be different depending on which type of store it is (Local, Express, etc.) and they can also be further adjusted if they think that the sort of shoppers they get in will be fool enough to pay more for certain items.
That's very much the case. We had (and will soon have again) an Express, a Metro and an Extra within 10 minute's walk of each other. I don't think I ever saw anything that was the same price in all three of them.
 

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I asked a while back why an item in my local Tesco was more expensive there than in another store. I was told that on some items the price will be different depending on which type of store it is (Local, Express, etc.) and they can also be further adjusted if they think that the sort of shoppers they get in will be fool enough to pay more for certain items. (That isn’t quite what the chap said.)

I get that they can vary prices from store to store, especially the smaller convenience store locations, but for me the biggest mickey take is the Argos stores inside a Sainsbury's, where you could pick up an item (e.g. plates, toaster or whatever) from the Sainsbury's aisle for one price, and then walk one aisle to the Argos and buy it from the aisles behind the counter for a lower price.

Loads of products are like this, and they're the same SKU (same barcode) but one gets the Argos code on a sticker - and you pay less.

Might be fine to argue that Argos is a different retailer (even if owned by Sainsbury's) and Sainsbury's does use that very line on social media, but I find it somewhat pathetic. Paying sometimes £5 or £10 more for something because it's already on a shelf, and you pay at another till in the same building.

It's not like Argos is even outside the checkout area!
 

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Its not that I don't believe you, I just wonder why the difference exists in this manner (lower not higher prices) and why I can't replicate it.
Now that is strange, still showing 95p for me!
 

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I get that they can vary prices from store to store, especially the smaller convenience store locations, but for me the biggest mickey take is the Argos stores inside a Sainsbury's, where you could pick up an item (e.g. plates, toaster or whatever) from the Sainsbury's aisle for one price, and then walk one aisle to the Argos and buy it from the aisles behind the counter for a lower price.

Loads of products are like this, and they're the same SKU (same barcode) but one gets the Argos code on a sticker - and you pay less.

Might be fine to argue that Argos is a different retailer (even if owned by Sainsbury's) and Sainsbury's does use that very line on social media, but I find it somewhat pathetic. Paying sometimes £5 or £10 more for something because it's already on a shelf, and you pay at another till in the same building.

It's not like Argos is even outside the checkout area!
My bold. That is probably another example of people getting lured into buying things they did not know they needed and unexpectedly encounter in a supermarket. But for those on a mission to shop around and buy an item the Argos price is more competitive.
 

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Nobody should have to go to another part of the same shop floor to get the item they're looking at on a shelf at a lower price IMO. Now if Sainsbury's wanted to advertise the lower price on the tag, fine, but it seems crazy. The simple solution is to have the same pricing!

It also seems a little odd to have the same product in two places. Okay, so Argos could put some items out to be picked up and paid for like a normal shop when they had their own stores, and that's fine - but Sainsbury's could just have Argos items out in an aisle that's part of Argos, not Sainsbury's...

Anyway, I know to look. Clearly most people won't and will pay more. Sainsbury's will say it's about customer choice...
 

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Nobody should have to go to another part of the same shop floor to get the item they're looking at on a shelf at a lower price IMO. Now if Sainsbury's wanted to advertise the lower price on the tag, fine, but it seems crazy. The simple solution is to have the same pricing!

It also seems a little odd to have the same product in two places. Okay, so Argos could put some items out to be picked up and paid for like a normal shop when they had their own stores, and that's fine - but Sainsbury's could just have Argos items out in an aisle that's part of Argos, not Sainsbury's...

Anyway, I know to look. Clearly most people won't and will pay more. Sainsbury's will say it's about customer choice...
Another reason might be the stock on the shelves is easier to steal than that in the Argos back store. So a margin to cover theft might be an argument.

Most likely reason is Sainsburys have just not got round to sorting out the anomalies. Goodness knows their stock levels on shelves are bad enough in my local Saisburys.
 
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How many years do they need to sort it?! They've owned Argos for some time now.
 

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Where i work we used to call the cleaners, cleaners but they got annoyed about been called cleaners so now whenever we call them on our headsets we have to call them sparkle team. I'v no idea why it annoyed them been called cleaners.
I think I'd find it incredibly patronising to be called the "sparkle team"...
 

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On the few occasions that I've had that, I just push through the alarmed barrier. No shop has a right to prevent anybody walking out, (it would invalidate their fire certification anyway). I've never been challenged wh
Interesting. On that basis do they have any right to prevent you walking out if they suspect you are shoplifting?
 

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Interesting. On that basis do they have any right to prevent you walking out if they suspect you are shoplifting?
I don't think so but of course they are free to follow me until they can get a police officer who does have the power to detain or arrest. I would point out though, any attempt to obstruct my exit would need to be justified by reasonable suspicion which doesn't include not queuing up to get out.
 

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Interesting. On that basis do they have any right to prevent you walking out if they suspect you are shoplifting?

None. There have been court cases where a supermarket has detained someone unlawfully, and retailers have lost.

A friend works for one UK supermarket in a security capacity, and he routinely carries out anonymous inspections to see how the security react to situations such as this. They will send someone to do certain things, such as walking through the detectors with a security label with the intention of setting off the alarm. The point is to see how security reacts, and if physical force is used, the security guard will lose their job.

Their policy is clear: they may only detain someone with force *if* the suspect has been observed taking something without payment, and that the person has been clearly observed with the item from the moment of taking it until they leave the store. If they don't have uninterrupted visual confirmation that the person took and is still in possession of the item, then they are strictly prohibited from physically detaining anyone.

In practice, they don't observe the CCTV constantly, so the security guards rely on their power of persuasion 'please come with me, Sir' rather than on actual evidence. Most shoplifters will quickly confess as a result of being questioned, but if someone simply keeps on walking, there's little that the store can do. Store security cannot stop/search you without your consent, and if they attempt a citizen's arrest, then they absolutely must have reasonable grounds for doing so. The mere suspicion of having stolen something is not enough: they need to have something more than 'that bloke set off the alarm'.

For me, I simply keep walking. I don't engage with them, I don't waste my time discussing the situation, I simply keep walking. I've had one security bloke threaten to arrest me, although he quickly backed down when I calmly asked him if his employer would cover his legal expenses.
 

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Just over six years ago. The acquisition completion date was September 2016.
Can't imagine it's a priority. It will be a very small percentage of items each sell where there'll be the crossover. Despite common owners, they are managed completely separately with completely different procurement, distribution and stock/sales systems. Yes, it would be a "nice to have" if common items were priced the same or if an Argos counter could fulfil a customer order by taking stock off a Sainsbury shelf, but the logistics to change systems etc for proportionally few items will be way down their list of priorities.

I asked a while back why an item in my local Tesco was more expensive there than in another store. I was told that on some items the price will be different depending on which type of store it is (Local, Express, etc.) and they can also be further adjusted if they think that the sort of shoppers they get in will be fool enough to pay more for certain items. (That isn’t quite what the chap said.)
Not a "shop" as such, but McDonalds also have differential pricing - despite the common assumption that their menu pricing is the same everywhere, it really isn't as individual franchise holders can "tweak" pricing within a range allowed by McD's.
 

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Quite a few years ago (probably the 1990s) Currys (well Dixons Group) made more profit from the extended warranties than they did from the actual product. So money for old rope.
They still do, I used to work at Currys PC World at the till. I had to sell instant replacements and care plans. Most people would say no to buying one on things like a kettle or toaster. My heart sank every time I saw someone pushing a trolley towards me with lots of items on as I knew they would say no and ruin my target.

After getting a few sales of care plans it was not uncommon for staff to jump on next till that a colleagues they didn’t like was logged in on to put sales through to save their own targets from being destroyed
My partner has a rather young looking son. She got really angry over that and I had to explain to her. It is very serious for the shop if they are not careful. Same with Knives - I know of a good diy store that ceased trading over that because of an untrained temporary staff member.
Do you not mean your son? If she is your partner then you must have assisted in conceiving him. Hope I am not causing any offence but most would refer to their offsping as “my son”

Some supermarkets are in dispute with the manufacturer of those sweets. It’s fair to assume most use the same manufacturer for own-brand products, so that’s what it will be.
Is that because of the free sweets hack that went viral on Tik Tok? I am assuming a manufacturers did not want to pay for all of those free sweets
 
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Do you not mean your son? If she is your partner then you must have assisted in conceiving him. Hope I am not causing any offence but most would refer to their offsping as “my son”
At risk of going way off topic, I would take it to mean 'step-son', biologically related to the partner but not the poster.
 

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At risk of going way off topic, I would take it to mean 'step-son', biologically related to the partner but not the poster.
Step-son is only technically correct when you are married to the parent of the child concerned, if you're not married there isn't really a specific word or phrase to use other than words to the effect of 'my partner's son'. In much the same way I don't refer to my partner's mum as my mother in law as that would only be the correct phrase if we were married.
 

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Step-son is only technically correct when you are married to the parent of the child concerned, if you're not married there isn't really a specific word or phrase to use other than words to the effect of 'my partner's son'. In much the same way I don't refer to my partner's mum as my mother in law as that would only be the correct phrase if we were married.
Hence my inverted commas, but anyway hopefully understanding is now correct for all.
 

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At risk of going way off topic, I would take it to mean 'step-son', biologically related to the partner but not the poster.
I think your assumption may be correct. I didn’t read it that way for some reason
Child from a previous relationship perhaps?
Potentially, although I would call the child my own son and love him all the same. My own mother is divorced and her new boyfriend does not like to associate with me relationship wise. Makes me feel a little sad but at least I still have my own dad to do that I suppose.
Step-son is only technically correct when you are married to the parent of the child concerned, if you're not married there isn't really a specific word or phrase to use other than words to the effect of 'my partner's son'. In much the same way I don't refer to my partner's mum as my mother in law as that would only be the correct phrase if we were married.
This is an issue with the English language. You make a valid point. We need a new word to describe a child from another relationship.
Hence my inverted commas, but anyway hopefully understanding is now correct for all.
Not many people are married these days, although I would like to think that step son should be used to describe a child that is not your own. Whether it is your wife or girlfriend’s child from another relationship or otherwise, the confusion will continue to crop up

Yes we can put the matter to bed now, I think we all understand
 

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Potentially, although I would call the child my own son and love him all the same.
That depends entirely on age and the relationship with the biological father. If I was to start a relationship with a woman who had a baby then I might well come to see them as my son/daughter as I raised them. If, however, the child was already a tweenager/teenager then, while I would love them, I wouldn't call them my child - particularly if they still had a relationship with their father as I wouldn't want to try to usurp it.
 

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Is that because of the free sweets hack that went viral on Tik Tok? I am assuming a manufacturers did not want to pay for all of those free sweets

I'm not too sure, as I believe that was just a Tesco thing with the vouchers being broken - I imagine it's more a quality issue (or lack thereof).
 

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It's only a little thing but the various branches of Sainsbury I visit have self service machines with the "bagging area" on different sides of the machine. It's a minor irritant for me when the machine gives me shrill warning but it would be better for blind or partially sighted people if they standardised the machines.
That's an interesting point, as at my local store, the Self service checkouts are organised with a bank on the left and a bank on the right as you enter the area. Hence if you use the Left-hand bank, the bagging area is on your right as you look at the machine, yet if you use the Right-hand bank, the bagging area is on the left.

If both banks were set the same way round, that would surely cause more problems? As you'd then have people on opposite sides attempting to go in different directions?
 

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If you're referring to the latest changes, they're as a result of legislative changes around the location of high fat/sugar products. The supermarkets are just as unhappy as you at having to reshuffle, so insisting on getting the store manager to help you find the bread just makes you look a bit of a twit.
What will that achieve? My kids will find the aisle with the sweets however many times the store moves it around. No doubt lots of people have been paid lots of money to come up with nonsense like this. Anyway, my local Sainsburys hasn't changed the layout recently. Does this new legislation not apply in Wales?
 

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What will that achieve? My kids will find the aisle with the sweets however many times the store moves it around. No doubt lots of people have been paid lots of money to come up with nonsense like this.
I think the main idea was moving sweets/high fat items further away from the checkouts in order to reduce impulse buys while queueing (which is the precise reason that they were put there in the first place!)
 

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What will that achieve? My kids will find the aisle with the sweets however many times the store moves it around. No doubt lots of people have been paid lots of money to come up with nonsense like this. Anyway, my local Sainsburys hasn't changed the layout recently. Does this new legislation not apply in Wales?
It is another example of government meddling in our lives. I am all for the government providing advice about how to have a healthy diet. But having provided that advice, they should not make it more difficult for me to purchase a bar of chocolate if that's what I want to do.
 

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What will that achieve? My kids will find the aisle with the sweets however many times the store moves it around. No doubt lots of people have been paid lots of money to come up with nonsense like this. Anyway, my local Sainsburys hasn't changed the layout recently. Does this new legislation not apply in Wales?
It applies throughout Great Britain, but I understand has been postponed for a year due to the Cost of Living Crisis.

Stage 1 is banning the prominent placement of the High Fat, Sugar, Salt items, such as on store promotion ends/at checkouts etc

Stage 2 is banning promotions and discounts on the restricted items, such as Buy One, Get One Free or discounts with store loyalty cards.

Details can be found on the Government Website.

There will be separate legislation for each of Scotland, Wales and England.

Indeed, the Welsh Government proposes more restrictive legislation than England in fact.

In Wales is proposed to go further by applying the restrictions to ALL shops, not just large supermarkets.

To introduce a ban on selling energy drinks to Under 16s, as applies in Scotland already.

To introduce a ban on selling other high caffeine content products to Under 16s, including Tea and Coffee.
 
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