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I think that the Conservative Party has a rule that if a sitting MP is not going to stand at the next election they should advise the constituency association or party hierarchy by a certain date; possibly xy months before the last date the election can take place. I am not sure if it was at the beginning of this year as there were a number of comments when William Wragg announced that he wasn’t going to stand. There must be a fair amount of leeway, but I presume that they want to avoid suddenly finding they have to run a long series of selections just as ‘election fever’ is hotting up.

Yeah that's possible - I'm not fully certain. You're right that no party will want to be selecting at the last minute (though probably easier for the Tories than for Labour and the LibDems because the Tories have much less democratic structure and expectations of member involvement). But even if they have such a rule, it's likely to be basically unenforceable: After all, what're they going to do if an MP suddenly announces 2 weeks before the election that they don't want to stand after all? You can't force someone to stand if they don't want to!
 
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After all, what're they going to do if an MP suddenly announces 2 weeks before the election that they don't want to stand after all? You can't force someone to stand if they don't want to!

True, but you can probably reduce the number of those who do this to a manageable one. You are always going to get a few who will be watching to see if they would be better off retiring ‘to spend more time with their money, sorry, family’ than risking the embarrassment of being seen losing.
 

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This would be interesting if true, and could cause problems for the Tories if they go into an election not knowing who their chancellor will be if they win (unless Hunt resigns/is sacked before then):


It wouldn't be all that surprising, Surrey had been turning from blue to yellow/gold quite a bit of late.

According to the data from here:


The Lib Dems would only need about 1/2 the labour vote (and none of the other parties, as Greens and Reform balance each other out) to just about scrape it - which wouldn't be that difficult to see happening.

That's based on 2023 local election data, which could well have the incumbent benefit, which wouldn't translate to a general election. Likewise there's a few Lib Dem seats in there where the main contender is Labour with the Tories in third - it wouldn't be hard to see some of those Labour votes going to the Lib Dems by people voting tactically.
 

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It wouldn't be all that surprising, Surrey had been turning from blue to yellow/gold quite a bit of late.

According to the data from here:


The Lib Dems would only need about 1/2 the labour vote (and none of the other parties, as Greens and Reform balance each other out) to just about scrape it - which wouldn't be that difficult to see happening.

That's based on 2023 local election data, which could well have the incumbent benefit, which wouldn't translate to a general election. Likewise there's a few Lib Dem seats in there where the main contender is Labour with the Tories in third - it wouldn't be hard to see some of those Labour votes going to the Lib Dems by people voting tactically.
In 2019 Hunt secured 53% in his current constituency, with the Lib Dems 2nd on 38.7%. What helped the latter surge up was this was one of the "Remain Alliance" seats, so much less vote splitting occurred. It wasn't enough to beat Hunt, but it would not take much swing to take it next time, particularly now Tory polling his dire compared to 2019*.

*There is a boundary change here, so it won't be the same seat, but it's hard to see him winning even if the change favours him by a few % points compared to 2019.
 

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The problem is that even 5 years ago it was starting to become obvious that things were starting to harm people who are in areas which are traditionally well off.

Whist people are likely to have adapted, things like the reduction in access to library services isn't likely to go down well. Schools are struggling and are more and more asking for money for things that they used not to bother with (for example a secondary school asking for £2 to cover minor ingredients, so pinches of salt, flour for dusting worktop for rolling our pastry, small amounts of herbs & spices, etc.)

Whilst not a significant issue for many, it's the sort of thing which puts people's backs up and highlights to people just how tight school budgets are (even if they miss the news stories about the government getting their sums wrong on the increase of school budgets).

The last general election masked a load of issues as people were voting for getting Brexit done, there's no such flag that the Tories can use this time around (their trying with small boats, however that probably puts off as many as it attracts and is in the "political" camp so often doesn't impact people all that much).

Conversely, seeing no increase in their personal allowance means that they feel poorer, as for those getting a small pay rise (say 20p an hour more) the extra from getting an extra £800 of tax free allowance makes them feel quite a bit more better off (less of an impact for those on better rates of pay, but certainly more of a benefit to more people than changing stamp duty and inheritance tax).

Following on from this, the following new story isn't likely to be helping:


There has, in other words, never been a better time to be a criminal in the UK, and the unlucky few who are prosecuted can take heart from the fact that, in any event, whatever the verdict, there probably isn’t the space to send them to prison. It’s a big deal for any government to lose its grip on law and order to the extent that citizens and businesses are having to hire their own private police forces. It’s the sign of a de-developing nation. But that’s not a message ministers and their allies want to hear.

This a matter of Law and Order, so should be "home turf" for the Tories, yet their not doing well in it.

Lots of people work in retail, so even if they don't have an interest in politics it's an area where they are likely to notice things. For example having to wear body cameras, their bosses asking them to be more vigilant about shop lifting and the like. They may even notice that the police aren't responding when people are caught.

The above article states that some stores are employing their own investigators:

TM Eye is a company that hires former detectives, most of whom wear a uniform, some of whom are in plain clothes, to mingle with shoppers. In many respects, then, they’re a lot like a police force – except for the bit where they investigate shoplifting. They were called in by a benighted M&S, which had lost £500 worth of steak and many bottles of prosecco, and found the suspect relatively easily, with the aid of some cutting-edge technology known as CCTV. The regular police had declined to investigate, though have not so far been drawn on whether that’s because they are under-resourced or the pilfering scene is just too well-populated.
 

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I think that the Conservative Party has a rule that if a sitting MP is not going to stand at the next election they should advise the constituency association or party hierarchy by a certain date; possibly xy months before the last date the election can take place.
Given that it's only a party rule, it wouldn't have any impact on him if he planned to get out of active politics.
 

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So today marks 1 year of Rishi being in number 10 Downing Street. How has he done in this time? Answer - below article
Rishi Sunak — after one year as PM, how is he doing?


From the economy to small boats, Steven Swinford and Matt Dathan rate the prime minister’s performance on his own priorities
Rishi Sunak has endured a bruising first year as prime minister. When he came to power after Liz Truss’s disastrous 49 days in office, public expectations were relatively positive. A year into the job, those expectations do not appear to have been met.


A survey by Yougov 12 months ago found that 25 per cent expected him to be “good” or “great” as prime minister, 29 per cent “average” and 29 per cent “poor” or “terrible”. Now half of Britons say that he has been a poor or terrible prime minister.


Ministers are concerned that he is running out of time. Some already believe it is over, pointing to the fact that Labour’s 22-point lead in the polls has barely shifted for months. The plans for the start of a “bold” reset at Conservative Party conference, including scrapping the northern leg of HS2, have made no discernible difference to the ratings. Sunak, however, remains confident that his strategy will work. He believes that next year he will deliver on the bulk of the five priorities that he set out in January and that the narrow path to victory remains, provided that the economy turns around and inflation falls. Senior Tories are discussing tax plans for the election manifesto — on the table are a major cut to stamp duty and abolishing inheritance tax — and the hope is that once people have more money in their pockets they will feel more favourably towards the government.
The economy


The prime minister appears on course to meet the biggest pledge of his five priorities: halving inflation. When he made the commitment in January inflation was at 10.1 per cent. It is now 6.7 per cent and expected to fall further.


He can also argue that he has delivered on his second economic pledge, to improve the economy, albeit marginally. The economy has grown by about 0.5 per cent since January, but that growth has been sluggish. Of greater concern is his pledge to get debt falling as a proportion of GDP. It has in fact risen from 95.3 per cent of national income in January to 97.8 per cent. To make the situation more challenging, debt interest payments have ballooned, leaving Jeremy Hunt, the chancellor, with little fiscal room for manoeuvre in the autumn statement. Tax cuts, long-demanded by Tory MPs, are going to have to wait.
The difficulty for Sunak is that while there are signs of economic improvement — particularly with wages now rising faster than inflation — many people are still grappling with the cost of living crisis. The tax burden remains on course to reach the highest level since the 1950s and soaring mortgage repayments are hitting ever growing numbers of households as they come off fixed-rate deals.


Sunak’s reputation for economic competence was seen by many of his supporters as one of his trump cards. That reputation, however, has taken a significant knock. According to YouGov, voters’ confidence in Sunak’s ability to manage the economy has fallen by 45 points, from a net +14 to -31.


UK in ‘a horrible fiscal bind’ with no room for tax cuts, IFS warns

Paul Johnson, the head of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, said that huge interest payments on government debt will constrain both this government over the next year and whoever wins the next election. He said: “Relative to two years ago at best people are not going to be feeling better off and many people will feel worse off.
“On the plus side inflation is coming down and despite extremely gloomy forecasts we have grown. On some measures things have gone about as well as we could have hoped. It’s not all sunshine but it’s not a catastrophe.


“Everything’s sluggish, we’re at a sluggish level of stability.”
Rating: 2/5


Small boats


In January Sunak made a blunt pledge to “stop the boats”. While there has, undeniably, been a significant reduction in crossings, that goal remains a long way off. The numbers crossing the English Channel have fallen by about a third in the past year, from 37,575 in the year up to October 2022 to 26,501 in the year to date, with much of that down to the success of Sunak’s enhanced returns deal with Albania. There has been significant progress in clearing the “legacy” backlog of asylum cases, with the Home Office on course to clear the 92,000 claims by the end of the year. This has in turn helped the government announce plans to wind down the use of hotels, with the first 50 to close by the end of January and a further 50 by March.
The biggest test, however, is yet to come. The government’s pledge to stop the boats relies heavily on the outcome of a Supreme Court hearing on the government’s Rwanda policy that is due to report back in mid-December.


If the Supreme Court gives the go-ahead — and it is a significant if — ministers believe that the first flights to Kigali with illegal migrants could take off in February 2024. This, they argue, will have a significant deterrent effect on people crossing the English Channel and create a major dividing line with Labour, which has pledged to scrap the policy.


Rwanda plan: what could the outcome of the Supreme Court showdown be?

There are significant questions, however, about whether migrants will actually be deterred by the policy. Home Office officials have admitted there is insufficient evidence to work out whether the policy will have a deterrent effect significant enough to make the policy value for money.
However if the Supreme Court rules against the government, and finds that the Rwanda policy is a breach of the government’s human right’s commitments, Sunak will have a fight on his hands. The right of the party is already gearing up, with Suella Braverman, the home secretary, clear that Britain should leave the European Convention on Human Rights. If Sunak commits to doing so, however, he faces an internecine row that will split the Conservative Party.
Rating: 3/5


The NHS


In January Sunak promised to cut NHS waiting lists. At the time, there were 7.2 million people in the queue for routine treatment. Today, there are a record 7.7 million, and numbers appear to be continuing to rise.


The government’s strategy is two-fold. First, Sunak and Steve Barclay, the health secretary, argued that they have almost eliminated the number of people waiting for more than two years and more than one and a half years for treatment. Second, and much more bluntly, they blame striking junior doctors and consultants.
The government is refusing to yield to the pay demands of doctors, particularly given that unions have suggested that they want pay rises of 35 per cent, although the British Medical Association has said it is willing to compromise. Before the strikes, ministers argue, waiting lists were beginning to fall. The pay demands of doctors, ministers argue, are akin to “blackmail”, especially given that other healthcare workers including nurses settled for far less in pay negotiations.


Just like the miners in the Seventies, doctors versus Tories is becoming a fight to the death

However, going up against doctors in the court of public opinion is not straightforward. Polling shows that there is a consistently high level of support for striking doctors, especially compared to the government.
More broadly ministers point to reforms to speed up diagnosis, give patients more choice and boost training to show they are more than bystanders in the NHS. But they are also mounting a political counterattack by targeting Labour’s NHS record in Wales, where waits are often longer.
Rating: 2/5


The Rishi reset


Sunak’s plans for the next phase of his premiership are a work in progress. Senior Tories believe that they will begin to squeeze Labour’s lead in the polls at the end of the year as the economic outlook begins to improve.


Sunak attempted to begin setting out a more positive vision for the future at the Conservative Party conference, which included three major announcements: scrapping HS2’s northern leg and reinvesting £36 billion in regional transport projects; a phased ban on the sale of cigarettes; and overhauling A-levels.
The announcements, however, barely made a dent in the polls despite the expenditure of significant levels of political capital — Sunak was savaged by predecessors including David Cameron, Boris Johnson and Theresa May over his decision to scrap the northern leg of HS2. Number 10 is said to have been left “bruised” by the experience.


Sunak is now relying on two big events this year to galvanise his premiership — the King’s speech on November 7 and the autumn statement on November 22. There are concerns that both will threaten to underwhelm, particularly given the economic constraints.


There is hope, however, for next year. Sunak is planning a big overhaul of his cabinet — with even Hunt, his chancellor, said to be at risk — and the government hopes that as the economy improves, migration will become a more significant dividing line with Labour.
Rating: 2/5
 

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So today marks 1 year of Rishi being in number 10 Downing Street. How has he done in this time? Answer - below article
That article seems unreasonably upbeat if anything. The latest indications on growth in particular suggest that the country is going backwards, and rating the car-crash immigration policy as 3/5 is purely deluded. On the other hand it's from the times, and if even they are pointing out what a failure he is then things aren't looking good
 

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That article seems unreasonably upbeat if anything. The latest indications on growth in particular suggest that the country is going backwards, and rating the car-crash immigration policy as 3/5 is purely deluded. On the other hand it's from the times, and if even they are pointing out what a failure he is then things aren't looking good
Maybe its a misprint and should be -3000000000000000000000/5
 

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That article seems unreasonably upbeat if anything. The latest indications on growth in particular suggest that the country is going backwards, and rating the car-crash immigration policy as 3/5 is purely deluded.
Maybe the fact that things aren't significantly worse counts as a success?
 

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That article seems unreasonably upbeat if anything. The latest indications on growth in particular suggest that the country is going backwards, and rating the car-crash immigration policy as 3/5 is purely deluded. On the other hand it's from the times, and if even they are pointing out what a failure he is then things aren't looking good
I have a feeling that he will lose, given he was invited by King Charles due to a lack of government in the UK at this this time last year
 
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Sunak made a decent joke in Prime Ministers Questions:

[Starmer]
Is the Prime Minister as relieved as I am that those [Tamworth] constituents are not burdened with his defeated candidate who told them - don't worry Mr Speaker, I'm going to sanitise this - who told them to F off if they are struggling with the cost of living?

[Sunak]
Mr Speaker, I am proud what this government is doing to support the most vulnerable over the past year. Mr Speaker, can I in fact join him in welcoming the new members to their places. After all I suspect the new member for mid-Beds may actually support me a little bit more than the last one.
 

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What did surprise me was the fact the Tories didn't learn from the Uxbridge by election. Yes they won it, but despite all the noise made about Labour losing it because of the ULEZ, the seat had been Tory for decades. The fact that Labour very nearly did win that seat should have been setting off warning bells. And so this isn't surprising to me, as the writing has been on the wall for a while. Even safe Tory seats are swinging towards Labour - the question will be how many of them will swing enough to be lost to Labour and how many will maintain a tiny Tory lead.

I'm not sure if the so called red wall produced many huge Tory majorities, expect them to all be gone at the next GE


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Sunak made a decent joke in Prime Ministers Questions:



I love how on that remark, Alastair Strathan, the actual new MP for Mid Beds - clearly thought it was funny and did laugh, while next to him Sarah Edwards, the new MP for Tamworth appeared to be trying to look completely unamused (We can only speculate what she was thinking, but it certainly looked like a 'He's a Tory. We mustn't react positively to anything he says. Why are you laughing?' kind of reaction.)

FWIW I think Keir Starmer's question did rather misrepresent the actions of Tamworth's Tory candidate, who didn't actually tell the constituents anything like what Starmer claimed (Starmer's presumably referring to the Facebook post that he shared a few years ago which did use the F-word: Arguably unpleasant and inappropriate, but not what Starmer was claiming). But it was probably wise of Sunak to turn the exchange into a joke rather than do the boring thing of picking apart Starmer's facts.
 

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Peter Bone now suspended for six weeks so a by-election in Wellingborough is on the cards. He had 62.2% of the vote in 2019, Labour second with 26.5%, 18,540 majority.
 

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Peter Bone now suspended for six weeks so a by-election in Wellingborough is on the cards. He had 62.2% of the vote in 2019, Labour second with 26.5%, 18,540 majority.
Former Conservative minister Peter Bone has been suspended from the Commons for six weeks.


The MP has been accused of bullying and sexual misconduct by a former member of staff.


Parliament's Independent Expert Panel found he had "trapped" them in a room and exposed himself - an action it called a "deliberate and conscious abuse of power".


Other bullying incidents have been alleged between 2012 and 2013.


Mr Bone - who has had the Tory whip removed - continues to deny the allegations.


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The 71-year-old's suspension was approved by parliament, meaning he will face a recall petition in his constituency of Wellingborough.


If 10% of voters sign it, a by-election will be called for the seat - in what is yet another headache for Rishi Sunak.


Mr Bone was made deputy leader of the Commons in 2022 in the final days of Boris Johnson's administration.


He has held the seat for the Conservatives since 2005 and retained it at the last general election with a majority of 18,540.


The Liberal Democrats also demanded an inquiry into what the former prime minister and other senior figures knew about the allegations Mr Bone faced at the time he was given the frontbench role.


Five allegations by a Westminster staffer were made in October 2021 after a complaint made to the-then prime minister Theresa May in 2017 went unresolved, the IEP said.


The complaints included four allegations of bullying, saying Mr Bone:


• "Verbally belittled, ridiculed, abused and humiliated" his employee


• "Repeatedly physically struck and threw things" at him, including hitting him with his hand or an object such as a pencil or a rolled-up document


• Imposed an "unwanted and humiliating ritual" on him by forcing him to sit with his hands in his lap when the MP was unhappy with his work


• Ostracised the complainant following an incident on a work trip to Madrid


The person involved in the case told the BBC it was a "horrid, brutal, dark experience that left me a broken shell of the young man I once was".


"His temper was often explosive. I described it as like a pendulum," he said, adding that Mr Bone's behaviour was "relentless".


He claimed that the Conservative Party "effectively ghosted" him for three years after he reported the allegations, including a complaint to then-Prime Minister Theresa May in 2017.


Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle is asking for procedural advice because former Tory minister Liam Fox raised concerns about a possible contempt of Parliament due to the BBC interview.
 

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MPs have voted to suspend Peter Bone from the Commons for six weeks after an investigation found he had bullied and was sexually inappropriate around a former member of staff.

I've not heard of this dubious character before (I don't really follow politics much) but when I first saw this photo, I thought it was Sven-Göran Eriksson; I can't be the only one!
 

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Talking of MPs with allegations against them, why is nothing apparently being done about this individual? No talk of byelections there.

(Article behind paywall but headline gives a clue).

A Conservative MP has not attended parliament for more than a year after being arrested for sexual offences, misconduct in public office and more.


Andrew Rosindell, 57, has been under investigation by the Metropolitan Police since January 2020 and was formally arrested in May last year.

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I've not heard of this dubious character before (I don't really follow politics much) but when I first saw this photo, I thought it was Sven-Göran Eriksson; I can't be the only one!

Lucky you! ;)

I know what you mean about the similarity though.
 

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Talking of MPs with allegations against them, why is nothing apparently being done about this individual?...
We do require a quote so I've edited your post to include one (where articles are covered by paywalls, my first advice would be to find an alternative; failing that it's often the case that pressing the stop button on the web browser or viewing the source can reveal at least the first part of the article).
I know what you mean about the similarity though.
I don't think there are any other similarities though!

The Tories are going to get an absolute hammering at the next election; their pro-Israel, anti-HS2 and pro-car stances have particularly enraged me in recent weeks.
 

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I love how on that remark, Alastair Strathan, the actual new MP for Mid Beds - clearly thought it was funny and did laugh, while next to him Sarah Edwards, the new MP for Tamworth appeared to be trying to look completely unamused (We can only speculate what she was thinking, but it certainly looked like a 'He's a Tory. We mustn't react positively to anything he says. Why are you laughing?' kind of reaction.)

FWIW I think Keir Starmer's question did rather misrepresent the actions of Tamworth's Tory candidate, who didn't actually tell the constituents anything like what Starmer claimed (Starmer's presumably referring to the Facebook post that he shared a few years ago which did use the F-word: Arguably unpleasant and inappropriate, but not what Starmer was claiming). But it was probably wise of Sunak to turn the exchange into a joke rather than do the boring thing of picking apart Starmer's facts.
Sunak was unlikely to defend his party's candidate in Tamworth given the latter's disgraceful walking out as soon as the result had been declared. The fact that Starmer made no reference to that blatant disregard for the democratic process is for me though another reason to think Labour once again chose the wrong leader.
 

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Sunak was unlikely to defend his party's candidate in Tamworth given the latter's disgraceful walking out as soon as the result had been declared. The fact that Starmer made no reference to that blatant disregard for the democratic process is for me though another reason to think Labour once again chose the wrong leader.

Mind you were the alternatives at the time significantly stronger?

I do think Starmer has to keep quiet and be uncontroversial and "boring" - that's the best way to be completely sure of winning the election.

There are so many right-wing forces out there in the media who could kick up a s*** storm about anything controversial that basically his best strategy is to keep his head down and let the Tories self-destruct.

I don't especially support Starmer's stance on a number of things (the Israel/Palestine conflict and Brexit, to give two examples) but also recognise that he has to make overtures to the right to be sure of winning. He knows he has the left on board so he, sadly, doesn't have to account for the left's wishes, at least until the election. Those of us on the liberal left will vote for almost anything (well, not Reform UK or Reclaim, but you know what I mean...) to get Sunak and the Tories out.
 
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Why would anybody even think about sticking a finger up at Elizabeth II?
There is a world of difference between pointing a finger and sticking a finger up!

Way back in #4991 you mentioned that Charles III had invited Rishi Sunak to become Prime Minister. Others mentioned that that was the procedure, he had no choice.

I was trying to emphasise that the late Queen has absolutely no responsibility for the worst Prime Minister in living memory being in post; that, in fact, lies firmly on the membership of the Conservative and Unionist Party and we are still feeling the effects. I am not the first. on this forum and elsewhere, to suggest that there needs to be an election within, I would say, six months of a new PM being in place. Truss, like Sunak, has no mandate, all that 'priorities of the British people' is hogwash. No one has asked me and, I guess, no-one has asked the vast majority of visitors to this forum.

I happen to believe the Conservatives would have been better off had such an election happened, they might have pulled together rather than there being a new splinter group set up seemingly every month. They will have lost but it would have been nothing special. Instead there are these roll-outs of 'biggest swing' tables after every by-election that look bad.

Sunak was unlikely to defend his party's candidate in Tamworth given the latter's disgraceful walking out as soon as the result had been declared. The fact that Starmer made no reference to that blatant disregard for the democratic process is for me though another reason to think Labour once again chose the wrong leader.
I disagree, it was widely publicised, every one who is likely to have watched PMQs would have known about it, Sunak would have been prepared. Save it up, there might be an opportunity to squeeze it in in a month or two as an aside, just to remind people. What Labour don't want is a stonking majority because, then, Momentum will come out of the woodwork and Labour will look as divided as the Conservatives now are, and the Mail, Express, Telegraph will lap that up. I am not even sure I know who the alternative is - Rayner, Reeves, Philipson, Streeting, Ashworth, Lammy? The only one who makes an impression, to me, is Cooper and she would never have won in 2020.

To me Starmer looks more Prime Ministerial, more in control than Sunak and there is not much that the Conservatives can lay on him that sticks (they tried that with Savile and that has failed).

As regards Andrew Cooper, it would be best if the Conservatives ditched him, his petulance will be rolled out if he stands again. Has he apologised? I've heard nothing.
 

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At this rate we don't need a general election, Tory MPs seem to be doing such a good job of getting them selves suspended there will be so many bi-elections that they will loose their majority anyway :D
 
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