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When will TOCs be publishing amended timetables (i.e. in a day, a week, not until the day before…)?
I fear this may become the equivalent of the Miners Strike as the Tories seek to show they are tough on a union 'holding the country to ransom'. They need something to present at the next election.
Of course the Tories will keep the few, fast intercity services they might use, but the rest of the network could be in severe danger. The losers will be those out-of-a-job and the traveling public whose options for rail journeys become much more limited.
I hope the union leadership has thought this through.
Because rail workers don't suffer that either.Well I am absolutely livid and am going to have to try really hard to keep myself together...
I don't think you appreciate the damage and distress (mentally , physically and financially) that you cause to people but I guess as long as they get an extra piece of silver it is worth it.
I will now have to back out of the one thing I enjoy each year (Wimbledon) because of this action
Absolutely pathetic
Do you think we will be able to get full refund for Advance tickets for the strike days?
In addition to the normal refund / exchange rights, it is overwhelmingly likely that a cash refund (i.e. refund by method of payment rather than vouchers) will be permitted for all ticket types on strike days, except perhaps season tickets, where special arrangements usually need to be made. Who knows what will happen in respect of season tickets this time, but Advance and other tickets are very likely to be refundable without penalty if you don't want to use them.The Book with Confidence scheme is still running.
Couldn't agree more with your post!
With passenger number not recovered after Covid19 this won't help them at all.
I was made redundant at the end of 2020, managed to get another job though. My mum and partner and many other friends etc haven't had pay rises at all or only small but hey we don't go on strike. Railways not doing themselves any favours. Like you say people can work from home if they can.
May well be the case but still no justification for pulling rest day working, simply adds to the woes of the passengers.In the middle of a hugely public national rail strike, I'm not sure the majority of people are going to notice or blame the TOC for pulling rest day working, any consequent disruption would simply be part of the impact of the strike and then blamed on the RMT or the DfT depending on your viewpoint.
Routes where London Overground or TfL Rail use infrastructure operated by Network Rail will be affected. As I understand it that includes all of London Overground's services and between London Paddington and Heathrow Airport / Reading and between London Liverpool Street and Shenfield.Is the tube and the new Elizabeth line effected by the National Rail strike action on the 23rd and 25th? Or dont National Rail run that network
There will be a lot of money lost in revenue over the strike dates. That revenue was going into the Government coffers and any TOC that will be indirectly affected too. How much is the Government prepared to lose in lost revenue ?
It's their choice to do this.Because rail workers don't suffer that either.
Yes. It would be stating that ticket office staff and guards on DOO services are not essential workers.Would be quite the statement to make railway employees essential workers, removing the right to strike but then also trying to implement DOO and close ticket offices
Quite contradictory
Well I am absolutely livid and am going to have to try really hard to keep myself together...
I don't think you appreciate the damage and distress (mentally , physically and financially) that you cause to people but I guess as long as they get an extra piece of silver it is worth it.
I will now have to back out of the one thing I enjoy each year (Wimbledon) because of this action
Absolutely pathetic
High Speed One is unlikely to be closed completely, so yes although there are some cancellations possible there will probably still be a service.I'm due to travel on Eurostar to Paris on 21st. I presume that the strike will mean cancellations?
I'm in Birmingham on the 25th, heading to Preston in the evening.
Now I have a coach booked to Manchester and will be getting to Preston by some TBC method, joy!
Yep I was involved in a strike with the prison servicePrison officers can, and have gone on strike.
Governor grades worked, cons under lock up as staffing dropped below minimum as you’d expect.
Surprised they haven't gone for 1200-1159 strikes to cause more disruption for less loss of pay.
I wasn't for a second suggesting it was justified or desirable. I was just curious about the point in a previous post about it being an own goal and the optics of doing it.May well be the case but still no justification for pulling rest day working, simply adds to the woes of the passengers.
In addition to the normal refund / exchange rights, it is overwhelmingly likely that a cash refund (i.e. refund by method of payment rather than vouchers) will be permitted for all ticket types on strike days, except perhaps season tickets, where special arrangements usually need to be made. Who knows what will happen in respect of season tickets this time, but Advance and other tickets are very likely to be refundable without penalty if you don't want to use them.
Most tocs rely on rest day working to get through the week. Take that away and they will ruin their own service.Many staff don’t work overtime at all, if everyone starts going for it it won’t be available.
Would not be at all surprised to see RDW agreements withdrawn by the TOCs.
Thanks.High Speed One is unlikely to be closed completely, so yes although there are some cancellations possible there will probably still be a service.
Now that sums most of the Railway workers feelings right there!I wish I could enjoy Wimbledon every year. I just can't afford it and can't get the time off work. Nobody appreciates what I do every day at work, getting those passengers to their place of work. Its frustrating that I can't commute using train travel because I often need to be there before start of service or leave work after all service finishes. The fuel costs are hurting me financially and the traffic stress round the motorway has heavily impacted my mental health. Going to work where the people you serve treat you like something they trod in isn't helping either. With the cost of living going up and my wages standing still I can barely afford my Porsche The kids Private school fees are killing me financially and I might have to remortgage to release equity as I am barely treading water.
Silver ! I'd happily accept Copper.
Stupid questions, sorry.Most tocs rely on rest day working to get through the week. Take that away and they will ruin their own service.
What to suffer mental health issues etc.It's their choice to do this.
I would say Quadrupled.. especially on the mid cheshire line.One thing affecting both London Northwestern and Northern, in Cheshire and possibly other areas. Cuts to bus subsides and the withdrawal of designated school services has meant the number of school children who get to school by train has more than doubled in recent years.
they won't will still be all the ASLEF/TSSA and other union or non union staff that will have to be paid. There is then a risk of additional costs trying to recover the service after every strike. It will cost DfT and staff dearly its a no win situation and ultimately runs the risk of more severe cutbacks.The lost revenue figure will be dwarfed by the savings made by not paying staff. The government will be delighted.