Its sad to see the railway as such a political point and very little appetite for everyone to sit down and make the railway successful.
Off-peak fares are pretty reasonable, some peak fares, e.g. Glasgow to Edinburgh are astronomical.
Interesting that the RMT want public (presumably CalMac) ownership when they’ve been in dispute with CalMac a few times over recent years.
I don't think the peak Glasgow - Edinburgh fare at £25.50 return is all that bad to be honest- I'd pay it every time over the M8. The problem is single fares which are expensive.
The fastest journey time is now 42 minutes, £25 return is too expensive for such a short intercity commuter journey.
Basingstoke to London Waterloo is a similar distance and time. It’s 44.50 peak return.The fastest journey time is now 42 minutes, £25 return is too expensive for such a short intercity commuter journey.
You want to see some of the prices we pay down south....
Basingstoke to London Waterloo is a similar distance and time. It’s 44.50 peak return.
Reading to Paddington is closer. And quicker. £45.70
Plus for London you add tube travel to it.
25 quid is a bargain. Relatively As is Manchester to Leeds.
Oh and add 10-20 quid a DAY to park at London main Commuter stations.But we also see the prices that are paid elsewhere - places where fares are used to encourage people to leave their cars at home and not deliberately price people out of rail travel.
I often hear this a value of a fare based on it's time. But by this logic If the train crawled along at 30mph and took 2 hours then would it be better value for money?!The fastest journey time is now 42 minutes, £25 return is too expensive for such a short intercity commuter journey.
True enough, but it’s up against Citylink (£10 for a period anytime return, 90-120 mins journey) and driving & parking at places like Ingliston (£3.30 I think) - congestion up here is nothing like London levels & parking is a fraction of the cost.
It's more why the return isn't double the single, which is because you get a bulk discount (just like a multi-pack of cola is less than the sum of individual cans of cola, or a big can of beans is less than twice the price of two small cans of beans).I don't understand why the single journey isn't just half the price of the return.
Need to put this into perspective. I know it isn’t a race to the bottom. But us in GTR land would love ScotRail’s level of performance.I wouldn't like to be in Scotrail's shoes if passengers have missed a family or friends funerals or even the last opportunity to visit a friend or family member in hospital (if you get me) because of Scotrails reported mess ups!
If you do it regularly you'll find it is £10 for a reason- if you work near Haymarket and want there for 9am, you are leaving 7am - easily save an hour on the train.
My company lets me decide travel but public transport is recommended as even at peak time the train is much cheaper than paying mileage and parking. Having done the Glasgow-Edinburgh commute, train is worth it.[/QUOTE
Railcard is £8.80 return off peak so less incentive to use coach . I try and avoid peak where possible. But yeah there commuters on the coach.
I heard plenty of that kind of comment when I was a ScotRail manager back in BR times. What is different about today? (There were far fewer ‘next trains’ or potential alternative routes between Edinburgh and Glasgow back in those days as well.)I wouldn't like to be in Scotrail's shoes if passengers have missed a family or friends funerals or even the last opportunity to visit a friend or family member in hospital (if you get me) because of Scotrails reported mess ups!
But time isn’t everything for everyone.But so much quicker via Falkirk High.
But time isn’t everything for everyone.
(Although I agree the Falkirk High route is extremely quick - I went that route to Queen Street last night and noticed the difference when going via Bathgate back home - that was a slog )
Yeah , true , sometimes i go a longer way to ensure a quiet journey.
Yes. In reality the headline should have been "RMT reports that Scotrail won't meet passenger satisfaction targets... again" but no one would have paid any attention if that was the headline as it is hardly news especially for forum users or readers of a certain Scottish newspaper.sooooo... the original topic here, a load of hot air?
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