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I was excited to receive some post this morning - first time in a week.

I got two begging letters for charities, and a Christmas card for someone who hasn't lived here for at least 20 years. Not the Royal Mail's fault of course, they're just delivering what's sent.
 
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As if by magic my parcel has shown up. It wasn't Signed For, it seems it was "Royal Mail 48" which is a service I didn't know existed, which seems to be scan on delivery only unlike Tracked 48.
 

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Two packages shipped on Monday afternoon with Tracked 24 from different senders, both delivered this morning. Can't really complain too much about that.
 

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I've got a "missing" Signed For item too, and I agree. I'd like to see a merger of the Signed For and Tracked 24/48 products. I don't see why they shouldn't all be trackable. They're priced at a similar level.

As if by magic my parcel has shown up. It wasn't Signed For, it seems it was "Royal Mail 48" which is a service I didn't know existed, which seems to be scan on delivery only unlike Tracked 48.


Certainly confusing to have Signed For ( added to 1st and 2nd Class), Tracked 24/48, Tracked 24/48 with Signature, and Royal Mail 48.
One difference with the former is no stated delivery time.
For anything 24/48 either collected from the sender or handed in at a Delivery Office ( not Post Office ) gets the items to the first regional hub faster.

Indeed, if the new barcoded stamps have unique barcodes on each stamp, which I assume they do otherwise the revenue protection angle wouldn't work, then I think there's potential to have some form of "best effort" tracking on even simple letters, i.e. "it's scanned if it's scanned" rather than anything formal, but still helpful if you got a certificate of posting and wondered how a delayed item was progressing.

But if you track standard stamped mail you can not charge a premium for a tracked without signature service .....

I do wonder if every stamp will have a unique code. Visually stamps bought together are different but how many combinations can be printed in the allowed area as much smaller than Post Office or online generated label or e.g. a rail ticket Aztec code.
 

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I do wonder if every stamp will have a unique code. Visually stamps bought together are different but how many combinations can be printed in the allowed area as much smaller than Post Office or online generated label or e.g. a rail ticket Aztec code.
Plenty of Royal Mail information says that the codes are unique. A stamp does not need to to contain as much information as an Aztec ticket. That leaves more dots available for the unique identifier.
 

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For anything 24/48 either collected from the sender or handed in at a Delivery Office ( not Post Office ) gets the items to the first regional hub faster.
Not really. It's all tagged the same as 1st/2nd.
Only differentiation is for Tracked.
 

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I do wonder if every stamp will have a unique code. Visually stamps bought together are different but how many combinations can be printed in the allowed area as much smaller than Post Office or online generated label or e.g. a rail ticket Aztec code.

There are 16x48 pixels in the barcode. 4 horizontal lines and 2 vertical lines are used for orientation, leaving 616 pixels. Some of these would be used to encode details such as the type of stamp, date printed, etc., plus a security function to stop forgers from trying to stumble on valid codes by brute force.

If every human who ever existed (120 billion* people) sent a letter to every human who ever existed, per second since the beginning of the universe (14 billion years ago), then you'd need 120e9 × 120e9 × 14e9 × 365.25 × 24×60×60 = 3.8e41 unique codes, which can be achieved with approximately 138 pixels (2^138 = 3.5e41).

*American billion.
 

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I received my first item this week with a stamp containing a scannable code, it hadn’t been postmarked.
 

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I got word that my local delivery office are now handing letters over the counter if you show photo ID and bank statement/utility bill etc with your address, so I went in Wednesday and got my missing mail. Not waiting on or expecting anything now until next Friday when the next issue of my magazine subscription should normally arrive (but will probably be late).
 

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I got word that my local delivery office are now handing letters over the counter if you show photo ID and bank statement/utility bill etc with your address, so I went in Wednesday and got my missing mail. Not waiting on or expecting anything now until next Friday when the next issue of my magazine subscription should normally arrive (but will probably be late).
I hope your local delivery office is more organised than ours! Think with ours, your best bet would be to still let them deliver as you'd probably be waiting in a queue for a similar length of time!
 

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There are 16x48 pixels in the barcode. 4 horizontal lines and 2 vertical lines are used for orientation, leaving 616 pixels. Some of these would be used to encode details such as the type of stamp, date printed, etc., plus a security function to stop forgers from trying to stumble on valid codes by brute force.
Plus a substantial number for error-correction. Still enough left for your sums to work.

Computer UUIDs/GUIDs use 128 bits. They are generated locally, no central authority.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_unique_identifier
When generated according to the standard methods, UUIDs are, for practical purposes, unique. Their uniqueness does not depend on a central registration authority or coordination between the parties generating them, unlike most other numbering schemes. While the probability that a UUID will be duplicated is not zero, it is generally considered close enough to zero to be negligible.
 

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One magazine is about 10 days overdue in the post, the next one is currently 4 days overdue. But in contrast, my new driving licence (renewed on line) reached me in about 4 days.
 

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Today I received a package "Royal Mail 48" despatched 6/12 arrived 21/12. That's 11 working days.
Since this was my repeat prescription ordered 30/11 "in good time" my stocks at home were running a bit low; I thought about getting an "emergency" prescription from my GP but instead I re-ordered on 16/12. I'll now get the second order in due course, but there's nothing that won't keep, so I won't need to re-order again until the end of March (my GP provides 56 days' worth of pills each time).
 

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I ordered 20 items in the last week of November / first week of December. 6 of them have arrived, and 14 haven't.
 

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Royal Mail CEO Simon Thompson being shown for the absolute mug that he is in Parliament today.
"Business Commentary" in today's Times agrees with you (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/royal-mail-delivers-poor-performance-pmhczvxxx); he's going to come back and told to bring his chairman along next time:
BUSINESS COMMENTARY

Royal Mail delivers poor performance​
Alistair Osborne

Wednesday January 25 2023, 12.01am, The Times

Daytime telly can finish some careers. So you’d think chief executives would be well tuned-up for their appearances on parliamentlive.tv: the go-to site for grillings from MPs.

Not Simon Thompson. The Royal Mail boss delivered such a shocker last week before members of the business committee that not only has he been invited back for more but told to bring his chairman, Keith Williams: a ratings success, maybe, but not the sort investors want at a strike-riven outfit losing £1 million a day? It had been Thompson’s big chance to explain Royal Mail’s position after 18 days of walkouts by posties in the CWU union. To put it generously, he blew it.

Worse, he’s been recalled because, as the committee chairman Darren Jones spelt out in an excoriating letter, it’s “now not confident that all the answers you gave during the session were wholly accurate”.

Thompson may complain that he was given a rougher ride than the change-resistant CWU boss Dave Ward. Jones, a Labour MP, kicked off by asking why Thompson’s predecessor Rico Back “criticised you in public for not having enough experience and mishandling the situation”. Another Labour MP, Ian Lavery, asked: “Do you accept, as the former chief executive said, that your style of leadership is toxic and confrontational?”

But listen to Thompson and Back seems to have a point. From the get-go the Royal Mail chief was evasive — first, ducking and diving over his £140,000 bonus; then claiming “confidentiality” when asked to name the group’s “external advisers”.

Yet it’s over three issues in Jones’ letter that he’s on trickiest ground. Jones had misphrased a question: “What does ‘PVA’ stand for?” But it was swiftly clear from the context he meant PDA — the postal digital assistant system that tracks how quickly posties process packages. Thompson said he was “not aware of technology . . . that tells people to work more quickly” and insisted it is not used “in any form of penal way”. But Jones says: “We have received evidence that suggests this is not correct.” Indeed, with the union’s permission, PDA data can be used in disciplinary hearings.

Second, Thompson got into a mess over a poster, apparently put up in a Gloucester delivery office, telling workers to prioritise parcels over letters. Thompson said it was not Royal Mail policy and that it was a “local action”. But, “contrary” to his evidence, the committee has since heard that “similar posters appeared in other delivery offices”. Managers appear to have copied it. Did Thompson not know?

Third, the committee wants to quiz him again on sick pay. He said Royal Mail planned to “make some adjustments”: understandably, too, given “we spend about £250 million a year on sickness” and levels are “three times the industry norm”. But, after “correspondence from multiple Royal Mail” workers, Jones has “concerns” over his evidence.

True, there are 115,000 posties in the CWU, some of whom are out to get Thompson. His recall has also given the union some useful PR for its latest strike ballot, following its rejection of a 9 per cent “final” pay offer that’s less generous than it looks. Even so, Jones is right: “Giving inaccurate information to a parliamentary committee, whether by accident or otherwise, is taken very seriously.” Thompson must do far better this time, or he’ll be facing his own last post.
 

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Prompted by discussion on another forum, is the UK the only country where the "national" postal carrier (and owner of post boxes) is different from the organisation which operates shops where most people pay for postage and/or submit (larger) items for postage?
 

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PostNL doesn't operate ANY shops, do they?

It's usually just a counter in supermarkets/stationary shops, run by that shop
 

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Royal Mail CEO Simon Thompson being shown for the absolute mug that he is in Parliament today.
And, again, today (https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ogue-managers-for-tracking-devices-on-workers). He admitted that some postal workers were being tracked as they worked, contrary to policy, and that - as we all know - parcels were being prioritised over letters, in contravention of its operating agreement.
Royal Mail boss blames rogue managers for tracking devices on workers
Simon Thompson says monitors were used to pressure staff to work faster in breach of its policy
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Wed 22 Feb 2023 18.51 GMT
Last modified on Wed 22 Feb 2023 19.23 GMT

The chief executive of Royal Mail has admitted digital tracking devices carried by postal workers were used to pressure them to work faster, blaming rogue managers for using the information in breach of the delivery company’s policy.

Simon Thompson, who was hauled back in front of the tbusiness select committee after MPs felt he did not give “wholly correct” answers during his first appearance last month, maintained that information provided by the postal digital assistants (PDA) carried by workers is used to “balance the workload evenly across the whole of the team”.

In an unusual move, Darren Jones, chair of the select committee, asked Thompson, Royal Mail chair Keith Williams, and operations development director Ricky McAulay to swear an oath before giving testimony in a tense two-hour grilling.
“I remind the witnesses that you are obliged to tell the whole truth to this committee and any failure to do so will be considered a contempt of parliament and a potential perjury,” he said.
Jones said after Thompson’s appearance before the committee last month he had received almost 1,500 communications, including various images of charts used by management and testimony from workers that showed tracking information from PDAs was “100% being used” to discipline and performance-manage staff.
Each postal worker carries a PDA on their route which gathers information on how long they take to complete their round, and uses yellow dots that grow the longer a worker is stationary.
Evidence shown by the committee included several charts showing the performance of workers – with their names redacted – one of which included a handwritten note saying “don’t get caught” in reference to the slowest posties.
“We were alarmed to see that and it definitely breaches our policy,” said Thompson. “Anything on there that says ‘Don’t get caught’ is clearly not what we do and I don’t believe it is representative of what happens [across Royal Mail]. We saw this evidence the other day and it is actually a breach of our very clear policy and agreement with the Communications Workers Union (CWU).”
Thompson said that the correct use of information from PDAs had been agreed in 2018 with the CWU, which represents about 115,000 postal workers.

“It is not information that is available in real time,” said Thompson. “We don’t track postal workers in real time nor nudge them to make sure they go at the right pace. Nor can any data seen today be used for any sort of performance management. This is a system that is used to make sure we balance workload evenly across the whole of the team.”p
Summing up the committee’s exchange with management, Jones said there was a common theme to the answers given to MPs questions.
“We have rogue posters, rogue managers, we have isolated incidents, we have a global pandemic, we have industrial action,” he said. “It is everyone else’s fault, nothing to do with me, guv.”
And also (https://www.theguardian.com/busines...royal-mail-makes-its-political-headache-worse):
Nils Pratley on financeRoyal Mail

Royal Mail makes its political headache worse

Nils Pratley

Chief executive’s answers to MPs suggest regulatory headaches may await firm beset by industrial action

Wed 22 Feb 2023 19.05 GMT

Simon Thompson’s second outing before the business select committee wasn’t much of an improvement on the first. Royal Mail’s chief executive was less abrasive than in January, which at least suggested he’d taken advice on how not to instantly annoy a crew of MPs. But the problem was still his answers.

On the troubled issues of PDAs – the “postal digital assistant” devices carried by posties on delivery rounds – Thompson had to admit that performance data had been used in 16 conduct cases. For a tool that is supposed to be used solely for balancing workloads, that sounded to the MPs like a breach of corporate policy. On sick pay, it was hard to tell what – if any – provision Royal Mail had made for workers unable to navigate the herculean task of getting an appointment with a GP and thus a sicknote.

The tangle that may have the most serious consequences regulatory-wise, however, related to the accusation that staff were being instructed to prioritise the delivery of parcels over letters. As a commercial policy, such an approach wouldn’t be silly: parcels represent a market that is growing; letters have been in steady decline since privatisation in 2013.

The difficulty, of course, is that there is meant to be no prioritisation. The USO, or universal service obligation, requires Royal Mail to deliver letters six days a week to every address in the land if necessary. Ofcom granted a get-out during the pandemic due to staff absence, but that period is over. The committee chair, Darren Jones, was able to display multiple recent instances of workplace notices seemingly telling staff to get the parcels out of the door and not bother too much about the letters.

“At the moment we have industrial action; there is a different application of policy,” said Thompson, as his operations chief explained the thinking: parcels take up more space and have more potential to clog up the whole system. Yes, OK, one can see the logic, especially when there have been 18 strike days. But Thompson, crucially, didn’t mention this contingency arrangement in his previous testimony.

Jones sounded deeply unimpressed as Thompson dodged the direct question of whether there had been “systemic” breaches of the USO. “Our USO performance has definitely not been good enough,” was as far as the chief executive would go. On the basis of this evidence, it would be surprising if Ofcom does not demand to know more. One can accept there is no central edict to prioritise parcels, but the question is whether it is happening on the ground anyway.

As it happens, a six-day USO is probably destined to be watered down eventually because customers are keener on parcels, but for as long as the requirement is in place, Royal Mail has to meet it. There are questions to answer.

Add the USO issue to the list of corporate headaches that is headed, obviously, by the unresolved industrial dispute and losses running at £1m a day. They remain the main events. But two bruising parliamentary hearings may surely also have complicated the narrative that the group – now renamed International Distributions Services – can break itself up easily and thereby achieve relief for its shareholders.

Demerging GLS, the Amsterdam-based international parcels business that is on course for adjusted operating profits of €370m to €410m this year, makes perfect commercial sense, it should be said. And, in the shoes of the shareholders, it is rational to insist that profitable GLS does not cross-subsidise a heavily loss-making Royal Mail. Politics and politicians, however, have always been the biggest obstacle to the breakup plan.

If the committee sessions have shown us anything, it is that Royal Mail is under scrutiny like never before. In the real world, a breakup looks a non-starter until Royal Mail is more stable.
 

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And, again, today (https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ogue-managers-for-tracking-devices-on-workers). He admitted that some postal workers were being tracked as they worked, contrary to policy, and that - as we all know - parcels were being prioritised over letters, in contravention of its operating agreement.

And also (https://www.theguardian.com/busines...royal-mail-makes-its-political-headache-worse):
I think the point on the PDA's was that they 'don't beep at the postie for walking too slowly, like the ones that Amazon order pickers carry do' but big boss man is the type of person who explains nothing, and assists the questioner in no way whatsoever. One interesting point I spotted was that one of the unofficial 'don't get caught notices' (reproduced in a newspaper article) was suggesting that some staff were stopping on their delivery rounds for an hour and being caught out for that.

The point of 'parcels prioritised over letters' depends on whether it is normal practice to do that or practice only when deliveries are affected by strike action. I don't think either is acceptable - one delayed, all delayed would be my motto. My reading of coverage of the recent hearing is that it was acceptable to delay tens of millions of Christmas cards as long as the presents got through.
 

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In the absence of further strikes or other action things seem pretty much back to normal for the moment with things turning up largely on time, I had an email this morning from a relative thanking me for the item I’d posted to them yesterday, and my subscription magazine is arriving on schedule, however there is at least one Christmas card I sent out that has still not been received, and at least two (possibly three) sent to me that I have still not got.
 

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Any idea if/when stamp prices will be increasing?
One year, fairly recently, it was over Easter. There is no doubt they will be raised and it will probably be quite hefty. Thanks for reminding me, I think I need to buy several books, I have to send out several mailings of about 50 letters each time every year.
 

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One year, fairly recently, it was over Easter. There is no doubt they will be raised and it will probably be quite hefty. Thanks for reminding me, I think I need to buy several books, I have to send out several mailings of about 50 letters each time every year.
It is a hefty rise... and it is at Easter:


A first class stamp is to cost more than £1 following an inflation-busting increase, Royal Mail has announced.

From April 3, the price of a first class stamp is set to rise in price by 15p, from 95p to £1.10.

The price of second class stamps will also rise by 7p, from 68p to 75p.

The 16% increase is way above the current level of inflation of 10.1% and follows the 10% increase from last year.
 

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Special delivery prices, and interestingly (unless it's an error) large letter 501g-750g, but not lower weight bands, are staying the same. So it's actually a large price decrease for me, at least until I run out of stamps.

Currently have about £40ish in small values, and 500 first class for which I paid the equivalent of 69p each, though they were originally purchased for probably 20p or less each.

Plus several booklets of 8 first class as compensation for loss and delay - so anything I sell on ebay for around £9 or less can now go into a postbox and I will make a profit in stamps if RM loses it! (Though I just risk it most of the time as I can't be bothered to go to a post office anyway.)

Going to need a lot of 19p stamps now (new parcel price is £3.49 which is 3 first + 19p, currently £3.35 which is 3 first + 50p).
 

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How long until they get rid of 1st & 2nd class for standard mail and just have one class, just to make even more money from those who would post stuff 2nd class.
 

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How long until they get rid of 1st & 2nd class for standard mail and just have one class, just to make even more money from those who would post stuff 2nd class.
As I understand it, from the last assessment they did looking at going to a single class for postage, they expected that going to a single class would be a negative for company finances overall. so first and second will probably stick around
 
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