Rugeley Trent Valley station - it should be staffed!

[nr_signaller]

Why dont we get polesworth station staffed while we are at it?

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Why dont we get polesworth station staffed while we are at it?

Now that is just ridiculous
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Are you in favour of developing Rugeley Town or staffing Rugeley Trent Valley?

Either way, there is no money about at the moment for any of these ideas!

And I meant fourth paragraph!

 

[nr_signaller]

Just looked at the annual passenger usage for rugeley tv station. On average approx 55 passengers a DAY! (rough estimation),

 

[IanPooleTrains]

I tell you what, while you are all at knocking my local, why don't you come up with a list of station that deserve it better? :roll:

hey, while you are at it, why don't you give a list of reasons why it shouldn't be staffed :roll:

 

[tbtc]

I tell you what, while you are all at knocking my local, why don't you come up with a list of station that deserve it better? :roll:

hey, while you are at it, why don't you give a list of reasons why it shouldn't be staffed :roll:

If the station has fifty five passengers a day (?), and you are saying it should be staffed until late at night, then I think I can guess whether LM have bigger priorities elsewhere...

 

[nr_signaller]

I tell you what, while you are all at knocking my local, why don't you come up with a list of station that deserve it better? :roll:

Like i said, polesworth :roll:

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Well like I always say, if it didn't come from my head, it just doesn't matter!

I think it should be staffed, end of, period, finito!

 

[TomJ93]

and LM think the money is better spent elsewhere.

In an ideal world every station (including for the sake or NR Polesworth) would be staffed from 7am til 9pm but the money isn't there.

 

[MCR247]

I think it should be staffed, end of, period, finito!

Thats nice.

Sorry to be harsh but there is better places where money could be spent....

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Well, we are always gonna disagree because I think you're all wrong

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Well, we are always gonna disagree because I think you're all wrong

Put your toys back in the pram! You seen to e taking objection to people disagreeing with you. Not great for an internet forum!

 

[RichmondCommu]

Is Rugeley a rough area with security problems?

 

[Mojo]

If you want to have a debate, you can't just say "I think you're all wrong" without giving a reason for it.

 

[Crossover]

I tell you what, while you are all at knocking my local, why don't you come up with a list of station that deserve it better? :roll:

hey, while you are at it, why don't you give a list of reasons why it shouldn't be staffed :roll:

Whether its your local or not is kind of besides the point - if theres no business case for it then its not going to happen.
At least the station has a PIS system - whereas quite a few of my local stations in my hometown are both unstaffed, overgrown and have no PIS so you have no idea what train is due next.

As to why it shouldn't be staffed, I mentioned it in my last post and others have also mentioned, it has a PIS, it isn't a particularly busy station and a member of staff is unlikely to add any great deal of value (if the computer doesn't know, then nor is anyone else likely to know either)

 

[MidnightFlyer]

This is my neck of railway interest, here goes:

The sole purpose of railway booking offices is........ to make money. Forgetr about safety etc, if it will lose maoney, it will never happen. If guards can get 50%+ of all fares from the station, what's the point. ther would be none at rugely Trant Valley, no fares to sell that couldn't otherwise be sold, what's the point? 55 passengers a day? Never worth it.

 

[the sniper]

Is Rugeley a rough area with security problems?

Not really, no. Especially not where Trent Valley station is on the edge of the town/countryside.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Put your toys back in the pram!

Okay, now I take personal offence to that comment and before, I was a little miffed that everyone but one person was against but now, you've really gone and done it!

I ask, very nicely, for an apology to that comment!

Is Rugeley a rough area with security problems?

There are worse places as far as security goes, I will admit to that

Okay, you want to know why i think you are all wrong? You wanna know why I think you're all wrong?

Okay then, here goes nothing:

Rugeley Trent Valley is on one of, if not THE, busiest railway line in the UK, The West Coast Main Line. Before the introduction of the service from Euston to Crewe, all that that station had was The Chase line services from Birmingham New Street, passenger useage has increased every single year since 2005/2006 going up from 6,767 to 11,314 to 11,854 andf then increasing 50% almost to 20,324 in 08/09 and then, last year, overall passenger us incresed over 150% to 53,023 passengers for the year.

Not much compared to some stations, agreed, but that makes it the 1840th station out of 2525 station in the UK and it beats some stations on that list that are staffed!

as far as accessibility goes, there is no staff help, no accessible ticket machines, no ticket counter, not even help for disabeled passengers with ramp access onto trains, no toilets! The nearest toilet is across a busy road with no safe place to cross over due to cars coming over a humped bridge one way and a blind corner the other way so you have to pay to go to the toilets at Stafford and would anyone want to pay £3.60 to do that!

The help points are no use there because you get an annoying voice on the other end that says things are coming when they are not. There is a lack of information at that station and you never find out anything that has happened in any direction whereas at other stations, you can find out.

So, now I put the question to all of you, can you give me a very good reason, apart from money because money is the root of all problems, why this station shouldn't be staffed?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Okay, now I take personal offence to that comment and before, I was a little miffed that everyone but one person was against but now, you've really gone and done it!

I ask, very nicely, for an apology to that comment!

Chill out mate.

......... passenger useage has increased every single year since 2005/2006 going up from 6,767 to 11,314 to 11,854 andf then increasing 50% almost to 20,324 in 08/09 and then, last year, overall passenger us incresed over 150% to 53,023 passengers for the year.

Doesn't that tie in with the grouping of town stations or something? See Wigan and Wakefield as examples.

Not much compared to some stations, agreed, but that makes it the 1840th station out of 2525 station in the UK and it beats some stations on that list that are staffed!

There generally more reasons than picking and choosing.

as far as accessibility goes, there is no staff help, no accessible ticket machines, no ticket counter, not even help for disabeled passengers with ramp access onto trains, no toilets! The nearest toilet is across a busy road with no safe place to cross over due to cars coming over a humped bridge one way and a blind corner the other way so you have to pay to go to the toilets at Stafford and would anyone want to pay £3.60 to do that!

As do 25-50% of the 2,500 stations in Great Britain.

The help points are no use there because you get an annoying voice on the other end that says things are coming when they are not. There is a lack of information at that station and you never find out anything that has happened in any direction whereas at other stations, you can find out.

As above.

So, now I put the question to all of you, can you give me a very good reason, apart from money because money is the root of all problems, why this station shouldn't be staffed?

See above, there are at least 25 stations I can think of that need staffing more than RGL.

 

[MCR247]

Rugeley Trent Valley is on one of, if not THE, busiest railway line in the UK, The West Coast Main Line.

And? Its funny how 6tph(?) or something that go throw only one stops isn't it?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

And? Its funny how 6tph(?) or something that go throw only one stops isn't it?

3 Manchester, 1 Liverpool, 1 Chester, 1 Glasgow and their returns to Euston, all non-stop. It is served by 1 to Birmingham, 1 to Crewe via Stoke, and one to Euston via Northampton. 3tph. 55 passengers a day. Say much? Maybe by this logic we should staff Atherstone? It certainly rocketed in this year's figures. Rugeley TV was dead when I was there last, and that was with 4tph! We need staff at stations where they are busy, and ungated at the destination, like Mill Hill and Darwen (for Blackburn), and Seamer (Scarborough, summer only).

 

[Chapeltom]

Station with 20k passengers needs staffing? WHY? I've read 4 pages of this thread and can't find ONE viable reason to staff it. Edale station in Derbyshire, 60k passengers, does that need staffing? 1tp2h M-F and Saturdays/Sundays its 1tph.

I honestly don't see the point in staffing a VERY BADLY used station. If trains are late, it happens, whats a member of staff going to do at 7pm when they have no clue themselves?

 

[lm321412]

Personally, Wikipedia sums Rugeley Trent Valley up for me: "It is a minor station on the Trent Valley section of Britain's busiest railway line, the West Coast Main Line."

The problem with the Chase Line and Rugeley Trent Valley is that passenger numbers are low and that it has never been CT or LMs priority to improve services to it. It must of been one of the lowest used stations ran by CT for 2005/6 with just 6,767 passengers. OK things have improved much now to 20,324 but that is still extremely low to get staffed. A parliamentary station Hartlebury got just under 1,000 less passengers during the same time period. Now that gets about 6 trains per day, which to me shows how quiet Rugeley Trent Valley REALLY is. If a parliamentary station can almost match one that has 3tph then that obviously shows there is no real demand for staff at this station. Even with a link to the Capital it still cannot attract the high numbers to warrent staff.

 

[Darandio]

Can we have Eaglescliffe staffed then, at least if we are following the logic of the OP?

4 times as many passengers as RGL and has been rising by 10% every year. Surely even that deserves a toilet!

 

[tbtc]

Edale station in Derbyshire, 60k passengers, does that need staffing? 1tp2h M-F and Saturdays/Sundays its 1tph

To follow the OP's logic, you should count all the Liverpool/Norwich/ Cleethorpes (etc) trains which pass through non-stop (since that's how he's counted the number of trains at Rugley TV)

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Bromsgrove on the other hand could do with it, but that's a different matter. It is a minor station, no lie there. 1tph to London. 1tph to Birmingham. Wow.

20,324 used it in 2008/2009. Compare to Carstairs, at 15,002. Aylesbury Vale Parkway had 13,058, but had only been open about two months. Carstairs is the quietest manned station in the country. Rugeley Trent Valley would be the second quietest manned station in the country. Bromsgrove had 426,562, and is unmanned. Dyce: 502,802. Unmanned. See where I'm going?

 

[ralphchadkirk]

As far as I can see the only reason to have it staffed is that the OP lives there. I honestly cannot see any other reason. But they'll all be wrong anyway

 

[Crossover]

As far as I can see the only reason to have it staffed is that the OP lives there. I honestly cannot see any other reason. But they'll all be wrong anyway

I think thats pretty much it!

Just for a little comparison following on from my last post:

(Passenger figures obtained from Wikipedia for the 08/09 season)

Rugeley TV - 20,324 (although this almost doubled on previous year)
Batley - 0.246 million (~246,000)
Morley - 269,686

Both Batley are Morley are unstaffed (though I think Batley used to be in its "heyday"), have no ticketing facilities and have no PIS system (or automated annoucements AFAIK)...and no toilets...

Weekday services at Batley and Morley comprise 2tph in each direction (2tph to Leeds - with one calling at Cottingley, 1tph to Huddersfield and 1tph to Manchester Victoria)

There are no plans to improve facilities at these stations as there is no demand despite the 4tph weekday service, yet they attract more than 10x the passenger numbers of Rugeley TV

 

[Greenback]

Now this is a sore point for me and I want you guys to be honest with me about this

You asked for honesty and you got it! Be careful what you wish/ask for!

There is no good reason to staff Rugeley Trent Valley at 2100. Or at 0900 by the sound of it, although I don't know the station and have never been there.

The majority of stations are unstaffed, have no toilets and no assistance except for on train staff. Finito!

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Can we have Eaglescliffe staffed then, at least if we are following the logic of the OP?

4 times as many passengers as RGL and has been rising by 10% every year. Surely even that deserves a toilet!

Without wanting to lead you on, I read in Railfuture/Railwatch (whichever the national one is) that the bloke who started Chester-le-Track at Chester-le-Street (restaffing, cafe etc) was looking to do similar at Eaglescliffe by April 2010. Obviously nothing came about then but it may well be worth contacting them to find out now.

 

[Darandio]

Without wanting to lead you on, I read in Railfuture/Railwatch (whichever the national one is) that the bloke who started Chester-le-Track at Chester-le-Street (restaffing, cafe etc) was looking to do similar at Eaglescliffe by April 2010. Obviously nothing came about then but it may well be worth contacting them to find out now.

Very interesting, I am guessing the uptake since Grand Central had something to do with it coupled with the actual buildings still being there. It's certainly more busier than it used to be, you can even see that visually. I always wondered if TPE could ever be encouraged to call there but I am sure GC would have objections (as far as allowed in their position) and equally, if a ticket office was opened there by the independent guy, TPE would have something to say about calling there due to their new (ish ) and refurbished office at Thornaby.