Are you saying that commuters are more important than leisure users? Remember that leisure users don't have to use the train. They help fill in the daytime services between the peaks. If they didn't, commuter season tickets in the peaks would be more expensive than they are. If it isn't to their liking, there is always the cheaper coach.
First class on pure commuter trains is rarely that different to standard. The 170s needed a proper first class section because they could be used for the Inverness/Aberdeen runs as well as the E&G. Since the 385s will be restricted to commuter operations only, it doesn't make sense fitting expensive first class seating. The benefit of first class on commuter trains is the privacy and greater guarantee of a seat to do business on a laptop rather than actual luxury.
Why not save yourself the disappointment and a bit of money by just buying a standard class ticket - if there's not much to differentiate then what's the point? It was pointed out upthread that perhaps the only advantage is having a table if you need to do a bit of work. It's a commuter train, on a commuter service which is less than an hour from end-to-end. I'd question the need to have any first class provision at all.It makes perfect sense. I pay a first class fare and expect a first class seat. Have they dropped the price to reflect the downgrade? No they haven't.
There are all kind of complaints in first every time i'm on the trains about the seats, it is simply not acceptable.
They could have at least fitted half decent padding, but yet again for the modern age, another half arsed job!
I would agree that on services of less than 1 hour it should be 1 class. However if the service has 1st class and passengers are paying a premium for it then the least they can expect is a more spacious and comfortable seat. Even in 1st Gen DMU's where standard was 3+2 , 1st was 2+2 ( and even on some suburban units 2+1)Why not save yourself the disappointment and a bit of money by just buying a standard class ticket - if there's not much to differentiate then what's the point? It was pointed out upthread that perhaps the only advantage is having a table if you need to do a bit of work. It's a commuter train, on a commuter service which is less than an hour from end-to-end. I'd question the need to have any first class provision at all.
I always understood that the first class was for advocates (= barristers) travelling between their chambers in Edinburgh and the High Court in Glasgow. Hasn't First been largely eliminated in the London area for journeys of this duration? Certainly when the full eight coach service starts in the autumn I can see no reason for having two First sections.
Agreed, sat in First Class (declassified) from Stirling to Glasgow (ex Alloa) the other day...thought the FC seats were a tad "firm".
I thought it was also for separating MSPs from Glasgow area constituencies from the peasants who fund them!I always understood that the first class was for advocates (= barristers) travelling between their chambers in Edinburgh and the High Court in Glasgow. Hasn't First been largely eliminated in the London area for journeys of this duration? Certainly when the full eight coach service starts in the autumn I can see no reason for having two First sections.
I thought it was also for separating MSPs from Glasgow area constituencies from the peasants who fund them!
Why not save yourself the disappointment and a bit of money by just buying a standard class ticket - if there's not much to differentiate then what's the point? It was pointed out upthread that perhaps the only advantage is having a table if you need to do a bit of work. It's a commuter train, on a commuter service which is less than an hour from end-to-end. I'd question the need to have any first class provision at all.
They’re planned to do Shotts in the near future.With the 365's apparently withdrawing next weekend, looks like it's now about just quantity on the routes. 385's and HST's.
Is that the 385's operating in some form on all their planned routes now with 170's filling the gaps?
Anyone confirm what went north last night on the delivery run please
Thanks in advance
You could always buy a first class ticket..?20 more seats when the 8th car is added will do little to change this, meaning my journey essentially hasn't changed at all (other than being a few minutes faster) - I'm still paying for the privilege of standing for the duration.
I’ve had to stand into Edinburgh, usually as I choose to be in the coach closest to the exit at Waverley / Haymarket depending on where I need to be that morning. Other way into Glasgow, for instance this morning in my coach there were quite a few standing after Croy, despite there being two spare seats at the table I was sitting at. Quite a few choose to stand for what is probably a relatively short journey to an office where they’re sat down most of the day anyway.I'm surprised about the number of people saying they have to stand on the E&G. I commute from Linlithgow to Glasgow daily in the peaks, and I can't remember the last time I had to stand. It's possibly years ago.
I'm surprised about the number of people saying they have to stand on the E&G. I commute from Linlithgow to Glasgow daily in the peaks, and I can't remember the last time I had to stand. It's possibly years ago.
The annoying thing about 385s on E-G is the seemingly randomness of the placement of the first class section. Could be at the front, middle or back. About 25% of the time it’s where I want to be in povo class. Doesn’t bother me too much, but if I were paying for first class from an intermediate station, it would.
Lol, excellent banter there HighlandspringYou could always buy a first class ticket..?
Depending on the time you commute at, have a look at the Edinburgh bound train as it leaves Linlithgow. At peak there will be standing passengers at every door area.I'm surprised about the number of people saying they have to stand on the E&G. I commute from Linlithgow to Glasgow daily in the peaks, and I can't remember the last time I had to stand. It's possibly years ago.
It's a fifteen minute journey to Edinburgh from Linlithgow. Are there many people standing before Linlithgow?Depending on the time you commute at, have a look at the Edinburgh bound train as it leaves Linlithgow. At peak there will be standing passengers at every door area.
Where did you get the 20 more seats figure from? According to this article, there will be an extra 67 seats on the four-car compared to the three-car.20 more seats when the 8th car is added will do little to change this, meaning my journey essentially hasn't changed at all (other than
being a few minutes faster) - I'm still paying for the privilege of standing for the duration.
That was going to be done until it was realised that there is a diagram which turns the sets.Regarding the position of First Class in relation to the train's formation, would it be possible for it as a general rule of thumb to be facing in the Edinburgh direction?
Presumably running Edinburgh–Dunblane–Glasgow or something similar? Once we have 8 car E–G, are we expecting to have trains regularly turning?That was going to be done until it was realised that there is a diagram which turns the sets.