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ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion
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Today’s 1B18 09:07 ex Aberdeen was a 2 car 158. Joining at Dundee I was expecting it to be full but in reality only about 2/3 of the seats were taken. First class tickets endorsed by the guard for those passengers with such tickets. 3 mins early into Haymarket though!
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Goldromans
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Guessing the plan is still for the 3rd set to move to Inverness tomorrow?
Iskra
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I saw them forming such a set up at Wabtec Doncaster on Friday evening.
Wabtec have had consultants in to 'improve the flow,' but there are now fears that this could affect the sustainability of the project as they've just chucked a load of the allocated resources at the sets nearest completion which will probably mean it ends up over-budget at a later date (if it isn't already).
43152 and 43031 on 5Z43 Doncaster to Dundee
Its the set that should have moved two weeks ago HA24 set ...... Just out of interest FGW 4th set as dep Doncasater 20 mins ago today
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nat67
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43093+43186. Nice to see that 2 out of 3 sliding door TOC's are having a set delivered tonight.
nat67
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Do you know what 40604 used to be any chance?
In a balancing move, I espied two power cars (top and tail with themselves
) passing Darlington yesterday afternoon (Weds 20/03). Needless to say they went down the direct line rather than coming through the station, so I was unable to identify them. When I got to York two lads told me they were 43037 & 43124. Here's the move on RTThttp://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R01006/2019/03/20/advanced
jingsmonty
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It's on it's way...overnighting in Dundee
Stoney1979
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A fine sight, thanks for posting.
jingsmonty
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No, the 3rd set is already made up - saw a photo of these 2 power cars in the siding next to the 3rd set (with 43031 & 43152).
Possibly there to test/move set 4?
Stoney1979
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Technical HST question - perhaps not for this thread in detail, if so apologies and send me away. Noticing the puff of diesel fumes from the rear power car in the above video, from where does the driving power come during normal HST operation? Mostly from front power car, mostly from rear power car, or a mix? And, either way, does the driver have active control over what is going on?
Latest refurbed set has just crossed the border: https://twitter.com/scotrail/status/1108838468615061506?s=21
Macwomble
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Now approaching Waverley.
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Slightly more from the front power car normally as the rear one is normally providing electric supply (for heating, lighting, catering etc) as well as providing traction power. Driver always has control as the control jumper cables down the train mean that if (say) the driver selects power notch 3, then both power cars will respond and go into notch 3. Obviously the back power car knows it is going backwards!
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Looking at Realtime Trains, 5Z43 appears to have stopped at Heaton North, as it took 18 minutes from Heaton South. 5Z43 left Heaton North early, which appears to be due to the late running of trains it was booked to follow. 5Z43 also looks to have been looped at Chevington, to enable those late runners get ahead there instead.
Esker-pades
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1S26 (London Kings Cross to Edinburgh Waverley and 1S52 (Southampton Central to Edinburgh Waverley) were the offending services.
I was on the 1741 from Haymarket to Aberdeen tonight in first class.
Unrefurbished HST.
Both first class toilets were locked out of use (one marked "leaking roof", the other "awaiting spares").
The nearest available toilet in the next coach was in total darkness for the whole journey due to lack of a working light.
It could be a new game show segment: "piss into a toilet bowl on a moving train in pitch darkness".
Unrefurbished HST.
Both first class toilets were locked out of use (one marked "leaking roof", the other "awaiting spares").
The nearest available toilet in the next coach was in total darkness for the whole journey due to lack of a working light.
It could be a new game show segment: "piss into a toilet bowl on a moving train in pitch darkness".
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It’s moving to Inverness tomorrow morning for training there.
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Do you know if it's just going to be sitting at Inverness tomorrow or is it going to be out and about?
jingsmonty
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It's basically operated & controlled as if it were 2 locomotives coupled in multiple (which, in effect, it is). Only difference is that the control cable is linked throughout the coaches. 43096 is spot on, as, normally, the rear power car supplies the ETS (train supply) - it runs at a constant 1000rpm (equivalent of notch 2) constantly. Eerie driving from a PC that's running the ETS, as the engine note doesn't change until you select notch 3.
jingsmonty
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No-one in Inverness has received any training on it, so it wouldn't be moving, I wouldn't think. It may possibly be used for Conductor training & on the next driver training course.
jingsmonty
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Sets 1 & 2 are both supposed to be in passenger service now, set 3 will be used for training for Inverness train crew - nobody in Inverness has received any training on the refurbished sets yet
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