ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

Northhighland

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Well understood by whom? The ScotRail staff? If a fitter can't fix a speedo fault but a driver can walk up and fix it on the spot (which has been a regular occurrence from what has been posted on here), that suggests there is a big gap in equipment knowledge and understanding. Other operators are able to deliver the service and have been doing so consistently (Cross Country, EMT, LNER) and there are more than enough power cars on hand for ScotRail to have 10 sets out on a daily basis.

Regardless of how new or old a train or any other machinery is, if the operations and maintenance crews don't know how to properly diagnose and fix issues, they are not going to work well.

What we also need to remember here is the maintenance teams were really good at looking after 170/158’s.

They don’t suddenly become useless if they aren’t delivering on the HST then there is a reason that can be fixed.

it just needs someone to work out what training or support is needed.
 
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What we also need to remember here is the maintenance teams were really good at looking after 170/158’s.

They don’t suddenly become useless if they aren’t delivering on the HST then there is a reason that can be fixed.

it just needs someone to work out what training or support is needed.
The maintenance teams probably know (or have a pretty good idea) whats lacking and what should be done to remedy the situation. Their managers need to listen to whatever that is and take it right to the top of Abellio if needs be.

Surely someone can get to the root of the problem and turn things around, if they really want to!
 

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Are any of the unrefurbished sets out?

We always clamber over the new refurb units but are these no longer out in service?
There was one sitting in Perth station in the bay platform, not a clue if and what it was working I'm afraid but it's tail lights were on.
 

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When was the most recent refurb set delivered?
I believe it's HA19 which was refurb number 8 and delivered early November, due to faults Scotrail refused any more deliveries until things got better-the previous delivery was in August.
By the way first refurb delivery was in August 2018, more than 15 months later only 8 sets released so about one every two months average. Hopefully more are imminent cause nothings come out of Kilmarnock yet and lots have gone in to Doncaster in recent months.
 
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A fully refurbished Inter7City mini HST set sits under the grand canopy at Glasgow Queen Street with the 1508 to Inverness this afternoon (2nd December).

I do believe departure was delayed due to a fault with the set. I left on the 1515 Edinburgh so don't know what happened in the end. 1150877.jpg
 

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A fully refurbished Inter7City mini HST set sits under the grand canopy at Glasgow Queen Street with the 1508 to Inverness this afternoon (2nd December).

I do believe departure was delayed due to a fault with the set. I left on the 1515 Edinburgh so don't know what happened in the end. View attachment 71075
According to RTT, it was 13 late departing and 15 late into Inverness, but I can't tell you if it was actually that HST - it may have been a DMU substitution.
 

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A fully refurbished Inter7City mini HST set sits under the grand canopy at Glasgow Queen Street with the 1508 to Inverness this afternoon (2nd December).

I do believe departure was delayed due to a fault with the set. I left on the 1515 Edinburgh so don't know what happened in the end. View attachment 71075
Beautiful, it's a shame the project is a absolute mess
 

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Spotted on scot-rail - ScotRail to scrap seat reservations- https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...IqGPpVdQV3KkW_b9ECLi3Pw-lBGAOu4n6BlmTEv_jb6iw - presumably this is to save all the “reservations may not match” messages that you see on Journeycheck when a 170 or 158 replaces an HST and they’ll be retaining some sort of quota controlled advance product
It looks like this is definitely happening; I'm looking at Dundee-Edinburgh for February and the 0822, which would normally be a reservable "Inter7City" service, isn't offering a reservation with an Advance ticket.

The journey details page just states under seating "Reserved - no seat allocated *" with the asterisk defined as "* The passenger is free to sit in any unreserved seat for the class of travel specified on the ticket".
 

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It looks like this is definitely happening; I'm looking at Dundee-Edinburgh for February and the 0822, which would normally be a reservable "Inter7City" service, isn't offering a reservation with an Advance ticket.

The journey details page just states under seating "Reserved - no seat allocated *" with the asterisk defined as "* The passenger is free to sit in any unreserved seat for the class of travel specified on the ticket".
It just gets worse and worse. Right now, I don't particularly want to contemplate a ScotRail journey to Inverness or Aberdeen. I hate coach travel, but Citylink Gold is starting to look like a much better option.
 

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I asked them again about the December timetable change and whether there is enough staff and stock to support it. All I got back was that any cancellations would be a last resort. They're happening every single day..... and that's without the increase in journeys as of 15th December.

Its going to be fun watching what happens!
 

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43126 and 43135 have gone back to Haymarket from Brush today, leaving just 43142/144 at Brush to complete the programme.
 

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It's almost as if ScotRail have forgotten about the HSTs. Today they are crowing on about more seats and carriages in a clumsy message that ignores the reality in the north.

Part of me wonders if the HST project has already been unofficially cancelled in the hope of muddling through until new stock appears.
 

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They commented on a Twitter post earlier saying they couldn't put more services on the Fife circle until more HSTs were in place.

They keep promising improvements on that line year after year and just come out with excuses when it doesn't happen.

I asked them whether they had enough crew to support the extra journeys around Aberdeen and they wouldn't reply. Hmmm. Said they only cancel trains as a last resort but it's happening every day!
 

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In a way they are right. It's just that Scotrail HSTs are so absent that the last resort is often the norm.

A quick scan of the Facebook information reveals that about 30% of what is planned is actually units. What a surprise - a more modern and less thrashed unit being more available and reliable than a 40 year old train.
 

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My observation in passing the Haymarket HST Graveyard today is that it’s mostly incomplete bits of Classic sets that are strewn about there now, rather than broken Inter7City and Classic bits. Still a lot of HST ‘stuff’ just sitting around, with far fewer 158s and 170s. Presumably the latter two are actually out and about providing a service. Maybe the I7Cs are running too.

As noted recently in another post, there’s also an I7C set sitting in Platform 0 at Haymarket station, just chuntering away (no shore supply there, I guess). Is it always there?

I was on a Classic to Inverness a couple of weeks back (0707 GLQ - INV). Amazingly, it turned up, and even completed the journey albeit ~20 down. Inevitably the return journey the following day wasn’t an HST. A 170 with no First Class, but it wasn’t rammed full and it got there on time.
 

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I thought Haymarket Depot looks a bit tidier this morning when I passed at about 0715 - standard trio parked round the back thought I think

HAY P0 was empty at that time also.
 

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Passed Haymarket depot a few minutes ago and it's definitely looking better than last month with regards to the number of HST coaches randomly dumped around. Saw only one booked HST when I was in the area and am pleased to report that it was an HST as booked (didn't see whether it was a refurb or classic but the powercar was 43130 if anyone's interested).

Edit: seen another two HSTs in service, maintaining my sightings of booked HST turns as 100% HST.
 
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Passed Haymarket depot a few minutes ago and it's definitely looking better than last month with regards to the number of HST coaches randomly dumped around. Saw only one booked HST when I was in the area and am pleased to report that it was an HST as booked (didn't see whether it was a refurb or classic but the powercar was 43130 if anyone's interested).

Edit: seen another two HSTs in service, maintaining my sightings of booked HST turns as 100% HST.
Indeed, I've seen quite a few HSTs here on the HML plus the Highland Chieftain which I am particularly hopeful of continued sightings. Compared to at least 2 single 158s on the Aberdeen trains yesterday, This evening I've seen a 5 car DMU set on the dundee train and quite a few HSTs. Let's hope this isn't a fluke!
 

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