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Clansman

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First Class is largely staying the same in the refurbs, yes? I can’t say I’m keen on the seats. Probably fine for my journey but not sure I’d fancy one for Inverness to the Central Belt. A bit hard and plastic-y for my liking.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. They're rock solid and cold, legroom reduced due to the partitions (which no one has ever noticed) and the table is very low down. Often prefer a nice and cosy 170 first class to any of the HSTs sometimes.

GNER had it spot on with their Mallard refurb.

I suspect ScotRail have rather significantly over-provided the number of first class seats, at least for the time being. It might be the plan to offer more cheap first class advances to fill them, but that won't be possible until HSTs can be guaranteed to show up where they're meant to.
I disagree, I think the first class provision is spot on. If you've ever had the dread of that one Classic set with the half First half Standard coach, more often or not first class passengers are having to share the same bay of 4 - particularly on Edinburgh to Aberdeens and the odd Inverness.

Only minor grumbling I have is the dead space between the galley and the first bay of first class seats - so much space that could have gone into improving the staff facilities that are housed there.
 

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Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. They're rock solid and cold, legroom reduced due to the partitions (which no one has ever noticed) and the table is very low down. Often prefer a nice and cosy 170 first class to any of the HSTs sometimes.

GNER had it spot on with their Mallard refurb.


I disagree, I think the first class provision is spot on. If you've ever had the dread of that one Classic set with the half First half Standard coach, more often or not first class passengers are having to share the same bay of 4 - particularly on Edinburgh to Aberdeens and the odd Inverness.

Only minor grumbling I have is the dead space between the galley and the first bay of first class seats - so much space that could have gone into improving the staff facilities that are housed there.
Ah, but it's really important we as first class passengers have a very long shelf from which to pick up a copy of 'The Scotsman'.
Was it envisioned passengers would socialise there and/or queue up, and doing so in the aisles would be inappropriate?
 

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After a couple of years of just following along, my first post so be kind!

My first chance to sample (hopefully a refurb) HST on HML is coming up. I'm traveling down from Carrbridge/Aviemore to Glasgow QS on the afternoon Fri 14th Feb, returning on Sun 16th late morning / lunchtime. Are there any HST services that I could catch around these times? (Not sure where to go to see what equipment makes up which service.) TIA.
 
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Looks like another set of coaches are going to Ely this morning from haymarket for storage, then the PCs are taking some coaches to Doncaster for refurbishment later today
 

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Looks like another set of coaches are going to Ely this morning from haymarket for storage, then the PCs are taking some coaches to Doncaster for refurbishment later today
43143, 44039, 42032, 42295, 41144 and 43026 were the vehicles.
Of those, 44039 & 42032 were left at Ely, and 42295 & 41144 were taken onwards to Doncaster yesterday evening.
 
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After a couple of years of just following along, my first post so be kind!

My first chance to sample (hopefully a refurb) HST on HML is coming up. I'm traveling down from Carrbridge/Aviemore to Glasgow QS on the afternoon Fri 14th Feb, returning on Sun 16th late morning / lunchtime. Are there any HST services that I could catch around these times? (Not sure where to go to see what equipment makes up which service.) TIA.
Diagrams here, check your schedule against it, I believe this is up to date: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/frequently-requested-diagrams.170615/
Post 12. But you could still find yourself on a 170 or 158 if the HST doesn't show.
 

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Just thinking of the HML - Dunkeld would need bored out, but Killiecrankie is a shallow tunnel that might actually be cheaper to excavate into a cutting.
Killicrankie is NTS Land and a tourist attraction. Boring it out would be tricky enough, hacking out a cutting is not going to be popular.....
 

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From what I have heard, all 26 will be delivered as 4 cars. Only then will the 5th carriages get added into the 17 that will be extended. But who knows when that will be.
 

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If that is HA15, does that take the total delivered up to 12 or 11 sets.

And more importantly, less than a month since the last delivery.

With wabtec finishing up on GWR and XC work should we be realistically expecting a delivery every 2 or 3 weeks going forward
 

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There are suggestions that GWR might have some more once the Direct Award is extended - confirmation due shortly

And they could argue preference until Scotrail learn how to run them without breaking them
 

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If that is HA15, does that take the total delivered up to 12 or 11 sets.

And more importantly, less than a month since the last delivery.

With wabtec finishing up on GWR and XC work should we be realistically expecting a delivery every 2 or 3 weeks going forward

Set 12 is due to leave Friday, GWR is all but done and the XC will be around June time. There is another contract finishing in March, so that will give the ASR a big push.
 

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There are suggestions that GWR might have some more once the Direct Award is extended - confirmation due shortly

And they could argue preference until Scotrail learn how to run them without breaking them
Its all but confirmed that there will be some more GWR, maybe around 12 cars.
 

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There are suggestions that GWR might have some more once the Direct Award is extended - confirmation due shortly

And they could argue preference until Scotrail learn how to run them without breaking them
ScotRail might argue preference given the state in which GWR handed them over.
 

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Killicrankie is NTS Land and a tourist attraction. Boring it out would be tricky enough, hacking out a cutting is not going to be popular.....
That's before you even consider the viaduct immediately at the southern end of said tunnel. It's probably best, if traffic demands, to follow the example of the Swiss on the Lötschbergbahn at Frutigen (see below) and construct a new viaduct adjacent to the existing, boring a new tunnel (so that you have 2 single bores). Obviously a study would need to be undertaken to assess the viability of such a scheme - the difference between the Lötschbergbahn and the HML is that one is a trans-alpine link of vital importance to the economies of at least 4 countries (Italy, Switzerland, Germany, the Netherlands), and the other sees considerably lower traffic levels.
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trailing load 455 tonnes is interesting, the current 4-car HST sets are all pathed as Diesel Loco trailing load 324 tonnes, so is this weight meant to be 4 trailers loco hauled with barrier vehicles?
That's just a timing load which may not necessarily reflect what the consist will be on the day.
 

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That's before you even consider the viaduct immediately at the southern end of said tunnel. It's probably best, if traffic demands, to follow the example of the Swiss on the Lötschbergbahn at Frutigen (see below) and construct a new viaduct adjacent to the existing, boring a new tunnel (so that you have 2 single bores). Obviously a study would need to be undertaken to assess the viability of such a scheme - the difference between the Lötschbergbahn and the HML is that one is a trans-alpine link of vital importance to the economies of at least 4 countries (Italy, Switzerland, Germany, the Netherlands), and the other sees considerably lower traffic levels.
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(Image credit to Alexandre Gilgen 'agil' on Flickr)
Not quite sure what the Kander Viaduct II has to do with HSTs, but I’m not convinced that the geography in the Pass of Killiecrankie would support a Killiecrankie Viaduct II. There are better Swiss examples. And if we were following the Swiss example we would likely build a new tunnel from Faskally to Killiecrankie (as per the Stutzeck-Axenberg tunnel) and avoid all the difficulties.

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Ewan
 

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