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It's not, they will need to re-ballot after six months as in other long running disputes.the original ballot is a mandate for continual strike action.
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It's not, they will need to re-ballot after six months as in other long running disputes.the original ballot is a mandate for continual strike action.
Surely, they'll take every opportunity to prolong it - they just need a new/different reason.That's a bummer. Was hoping to take the train for a few weekend trips I have planned but looks like I'll be driving.
Will the strike action end when driver training is complete and they no longer receive the enhanced overtime payment? Or should we expect this to go on further?
It's not the ASLEF drivers in dispute, it's the RMT ScotRail conductors. The drivers will get overtime for working Sundays as it's not part of the working week, having more drivers won't really make a difference. By Making Sundays part of the working week as some TOCs have negotiated, this then will solve these Sunday service issues.That's a bummer. Was hoping to take the train for a few weekend trips I have planned but looks like I'll be driving.
Will the strike action end when driver training is complete and they no longer receive the enhanced overtime payment? Or should we expect this to go on further?
But Sundays are not part of the working week at ScotRail, until that issue is resolved there will always be trouble covering Sunday services by using overtime.The real problem is that they still live in their 1980s utopia and the passing decades have not brought any significant changes to their approach to the real world outside. It's all rather reminiscent of the Scargill era when he thought he was more powerful than he was in practice.
Presumably, this saga is best left alone and the more pragmatic staff will see a way forward ?
If ScotRail do that wouldn't there be no rail services throughout Scotland ? I can't see that really solving the problem.Fire them?
If there's no enhanced rate they won't get any volunteers, then a lot of services wont run as volunteers are needed to cover Sunday working. As there's always absence/ leave / route knowledge etc to cover against.Surely this action ruins its for everyone else in the future. A TOC will now think twice and probably reject the idea of offering enhanced rates to a particular grade to avoid a dispute.
The action of the RMT is potentially limiting the future earnings of its members.
Perhaps better if all parties give up until common sense prevails. Just withdraw all Sunday Scotrail services and see what happens.But Sundays are not part of the working week at ScotRail, until that issue is resolved there will always be trouble covering Sunday services by using overtime.
Of the few that are running in the Greater Glasgow area, not very busy.Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but, how busy are the Sunday late afternoon services between Edinburgh and Glasgow?
Fire them?
It must be either a strike OR an overtime ban.Why? I am fulfilling my contracted hours. Overtime is voluntary and you can not be forced to work it.
Folk don't get it. This may legally be shown as a "strike" but in reality it is merely an overtime ban.
Traincrew are contractually committed to work a certain number of Sundays as overtime, unless they can find cover.It must be either a strike OR an overtime ban.
Which is it?
It's not voluntary though. At Scotrail drivers and guards are contracted to work a set number of Sundays per year albeit for an overtime rate. All Sunday work is covered this way. You can opt out of working a rostered Sunday if someone else is willing to cover it. If no cover you must work it or you are in breach of contract. I've checked my contract and Sundays are included in it.Why? I am fulfilling my contracted hours. Overtime is voluntary and you can not be forced to work it.
Folk don't get it. This may legally be shown as a "strike" but in reality it is merely an overtime ban.
It's still overtime outside your working week, it's called committed overtime. It's a way of covering Sunday working without the extra staff required to put Sunday inside the working week.It's not voluntary though. At Scotrail drivers and guards are contracted to work a set number of Sundays per year albeit for an overtime rate. All Sunday work is covered this way. You can opt out of working a rostered Sunday if someone else is willing to cover it. If no cover you must work it or you are in breach of contract. I've checked my contract and Sundays are included in it.
There is an hourly Glasgow to Edinburgh service via Airdrie. Could not tell you how busy thoughOf the few that are running in the Greater Glasgow area, not very busy.
No others running.
I think arguing over the semantics isn’t especially useful; nothing in the discussion turns on the point.It must be either a strike OR an overtime ban.
Which is it?
I think arguing over the semantics isn’t especially useful; nothing in the discussion turns on the point.
I shall refer to it as “industrial action” and suggest you do also.
Not at all. If it's a strike then it is subject to specific legal issues. If it's industrial action it may be subject to different issues. If the RMT define it as an official strike (as others have suggested) then I guess they know best, and will apply the law as appropriate.I think arguing over the semantics isn’t especially useful; nothing in the discussion turns on the point.
I shall refer to it as “industrial action” and suggest you do also.
Wouldn't it be great if Union representatives and long suffering passengers were able to officially meet face to face and express their views.
I admire your optimism!Not at all. If it's a strike then it is subject to specific legal issues. If it's industrial action it may be subject to different issues. If the RMT define it as an official strike (as others have suggested) then I guess they know best, and will apply the law as appropriate.
It does nothing to help if you atttempt to deflect what the situation is in law.
But many/most buses on Sundays have drivers contracted to work that day.Lots of bus routes don't run on a Sunday ( or run to a vastly minimal timetable) - Do the same with the trains - sorted