Scotrail Trainee Drivers (Ongoing)

[Stigy]

As for your second point a Di can not control the weather but he or she can control their risk to infection which undoubtedly will be increased if they share a cab with any individual regardless of the protocols in place. This is a pandemic we are living under and you can't blame them for looking after number 1.

I’ve said this before, but I’ll repeat it nonetheless. Your rationale and probably the rationale of most DIs who won’t have a trainee with them, tends to be undermined by most on a daily basis, as soon as said DIs chose to socialise outside work and go to gyms/pubs etc. It’s surely safer to be in a cab environment with a trainee who’s been tested for Covid on a regular basis, than it is to spend time in other locations with people who, quite frankly, could be riddled.

 

[320320]

I’ve said this before, but I’ll repeat it nonetheless. Your rationale and probably the rationale of most DIs who won’t have a trainee with them, tends to be undermined by most on a daily basis, as soon as said DIs chose to socialise outside work and go to gyms/pubs etc. It’s surely safer to be in a cab environment with a trainee who’s been tested for Covid on a regular basis, than it is to spend time in other locations with people who, quite frankly, could be riddled.

Name one other situation where you’d be spending up to 7 hours per day, 4 days per week in any comparable confined space like a driving cab.

Going to the gym or the pub bares absolutely no relation to that.

The only people that want to do that are trainees and it’s perfectly understandable why.

 

[Stigy]

Name one other situation where you’d be spending up to 7 hours per day, 4 days per week in any comparable confined space like a driving cab.

Going to the gym or the pub bares absolutely no relation to that.

The only people that want to do that are trainees and it’s perfectly understandable why.

In bed.

Are you honestly suggesting that it’s somehow less safe to have two people in a cab together, who are each Covid tested on a weekly basis than it is to mingle with strangers or even family members of whom you have no idea as to whether they’ve been infected themselves?

You seem perplexed by “up to 7 hours per day” when in reality, that’s not massively important.

 

[221221]

Name one other situation where you’d be spending up to 7 hours per day, 4 days per week in any comparable confined space like a driving cab.

Going to the gym or the pub bares absolutely no relation to that.

The only people that want to do that are trainees and it’s perfectly understandable why.

Bin men, Scottish power, gas men, road workers, Scottish water, driving instructors, nurses, doctors, police, army, navy, prison workers, bar staff, social workers, gp,s pretty much ever other service available

Bin men, Scottish power, gas men, road workers, Scottish water, driving instructors, nurses, doctors, police, army, navy, prison workers, bar staff, social workers, gp,s pretty much ever other service available

Factories cars toilet paper bread beans potato’s crisps

Bin men, Scottish power, gas men, road workers, Scottish water, driving instructors, nurses, doctors, police, army, navy, prison workers, bar staff, social workers, gp,s pretty much ever other service available

quick question if you are not a Di or DTM why are you on this thread?

 

[hiall]

Bin men, Scottish power, gas men, road workers, Scottish water, driving instructors, nurses, doctors, police, army, navy, prison workers, bar staff, social workers, gp,s pretty much ever other service available

Good for them. All of them have to do that as part of their job. The dis DON'T have too. Its optional. Get that into your head.

Spoke to a Di tonight on my break from another depot and he tells me they are incensed with the position they find them self in. He is refusing to be seen as bad guy for not taking a trainee back on due to his concerns and is handing back his pass at a time of his choosing. He probably wont be the only one feeling the stress of this and decide to say enough is enough and take them self out of the situation.

The DI role used to hold a prestige about it but not now. The senior men are gobsmacked that so many are doing it and that was before covid hit as its not worth the risk to your licence through operational incidents and such like.

 

[320320]

In bed.

Are you honestly suggesting that it’s somehow less safe to have two people in a cab together, who are each Covid tested on a weekly basis than it is to mingle with strangers or even family members of whom you have no idea as to whether they’ve been infected themselves?

You seem perplexed by “up to 7 hours per day” when in reality, that’s not massively important.

There’s a far higher risk of transmission if you’re spending long periods of time in a confined space with someone. Weekly testing won’t stop anybody contracting Covid or spreading it to their family, it’ll only confirm that you’ve got it.

We’re seeing it from two different viewpoints, you think 7 hours per day isn’t massively important, which is your prerogative whereas I don’t think being in a confined space with another person is massively important so I won’t do it.

 

[221221]

Good for them. All of them have to do that as part of their job. The dis DON'T have too. Its optional. Get that into your head.

Spoke to a Di tonight on my break from another depot and he tells me they are incensed with the position they find them self in. He is refusing to be seen as bad guy for not taking a trainee back on due to his concerns and is handing back his pass at a time of his choosing. He probably wont be the only one feeling the stress of this and decide to say enough is enough and take them self out of the situation.

The DI role used to hold a prestige about it but not now. The senior men are gobsmacked that so many are doing it and that was before covid hit as its not worth the risk to your licence through operational incidents and such like.

Nothing against DI’s making genuine decisions just sick of reading posts from 320 on this thread that has nothing to do with him at all some use this thread for genuine news about our job security, 320 is clearly just trolling

 

[320320]

Bin men, Scottish power, gas men, road workers, Scottish water, driving instructors, nurses, doctors, police, army, navy, prison workers, bar staff, social workers, gp,s pretty much ever other service available


Factories cars toilet paper bread beans potato’s crisps

Apart from driving instructors none of the rest are remotely comparable, and if they don’t teach they don’t get paid so it’s even a stretch comparing them.

Nobody forced you to apply for a trainee drivers job so don’t go trying to hold DIs or DTMs responsible for how much you earn.

quick question if you are not a Di or DTM why are you on this thread?

You‘ve not got any idea whether I’m a DI or DTM.

 

[221221]

There’s a far higher risk of transmission if you’re spending long periods of time in a confined space with someone. Weekly testing won’t stop anybody contracting Covid or spreading it to their family, it’ll only confirm that you’ve got it.

We’re seeing it from two different viewpoints, you think 7 hours per day isn’t massively important, which is your prerogative whereas I don’t think being in a confined space with another person is massively important so I won’t do it.

if you have the cold and spend 2 hours in a cupboard with someone or 7 hours do you really think that makes a diff you are getting that cold what’s your point

 

[320320]

if you have the cold and spend 2 hours in a cupboard with someone or 7 hours do you really think that makes a diff you are getting that cold what’s your point

What part is it that’s hard for you to understand?

I won’t be spending 2 hours or 7 hours with anybody in a cupboard or a driving cab whether im at work or in the gym, pub or anywhere else.

Whether you like it or not, however long you take to pass out doesn’t matter to DIs or DTMs, the majority of them don’t care as long as they’re not being put at unnecessary risk of catching COVID-19, and trainees passing out right now is unnecessary.

Your financial situation means nothing to anyone bar yourself, if you couldn’t afford not to pass out, which was never guaranteed in the first place, you shouldn’t have taken the job.

Nothing against DI’s making genuine decisions just sick of reading posts from 320 on this thread that has nothing to do with him at all some use this thread for genuine news about our job security, 320 is clearly just trolling

Use the ignore function if you don’t like my posts.

I‘d be more upset about the claims you’d all be back by the 28th of September and that all DIs and DTMs were raring to go when it’s clearly nowhere near true. Now that’s trolling.

 

[221221]

What part is it that’s hard for you to understand?

I won’t be spending 2 hours or 7 hours with anybody in a cupboard or a driving cab whether im at work or in the gym, pub or anywhere else.

Whether you like it or not, however long you take to pass out doesn’t matter to DIs or DTMs, the majority of them don’t care as long as they’re not being put at unnecessary risk of catching COVID-19, and trainees passing out right now is unnecessary.

Your financial situation means nothing to anyone bar yourself, if you couldn’t afford not to pass out, which was never guaranteed in the first place, you shouldn’t have taken the job.



Use the ignore function if you don’t like my posts.

I‘d be more upset about the claims you’d all be back by the 28th of September and that all DIs and DTMs were raring to go when it’s clearly nowhere near true. Now that’s trolling.

No no trust me you are the definition of a troll. a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community aka you

 

[320320]

No no trust me you are the definition of a troll. a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community aka you

Have you been drinking? You’ll need to quote these posts.

What has been off topic?

Ive told you what’s going on in the north Clyde area. There’s not been one single post that has disputed that.

Most DIs and DTMs here dont want to resume training. If you don’t like that or don’t want to hear it then put me on ignore.

Do you even work for scotrail? If so, what area do you work?

 

[Stigy]

There’s a far higher risk of transmission if you’re spending long periods of time in a confined space with someone. Weekly testing won’t stop anybody contracting Covid or spreading it to their family, it’ll only confirm that you’ve got it.

There is only a higher risk of contracting the virus if the person you’re in a confined space with is carrying the virus. Weekly testing at least gives regular peace of mind as to trainee and DI being virus free. There’s only so much that can be done, but this at least forms some mitigation. You’re right it won’t stop either party contracting the virus, but the irony is, that if the virus is brought in to the cab, it’s likely come from somewhere outside the cab such as the gym/pub/restaurant or home.

We’re seeing it from two different viewpoints, you think 7 hours per day isn’t massively important, which is your prerogative whereas I don’t think being in a confined space with another person is massively important so I won’t do it.

It is massively important to pass trainees out. If everything was put on hold indefinitely, or until a vaccine is found (which may never happen) etc etc, the industry will likely be in a worse state than it is now. There’s a reason trainees are recruited after all.

 

[Notsohappydays]

There is only a higher risk of contracting the virus if the person you’re in a confined space with is carrying the virus. Weekly testing at least gives regular peace of mind as to trainee and DI being virus free. There’s only so much that can be done, but this at least forms some mitigation. You’re right it won’t stop either party contracting the virus, but the irony is, that if the virus is brought in to the cab, it’s likely come from somewhere outside the cab such as the gym/pub/restaurant or home.

You're right, but the problem is that facts, logic and rational thought is falling on deaf ears, fuelled by project fear. That's what's stopping trainees going back.

 

[hiall]

There is only a higher risk of contracting the virus if the person you’re in a confined space with is carrying the virus. Weekly testing at least gives regular peace of mind as to trainee and DI being virus free. There’s only so much that can be done, but this at least forms some mitigation. You’re right it won’t stop either party contracting the virus, but the irony is, that if the virus is brought in to the cab, it’s likely come from somewhere outside the cab such as the gym/pub/restaurant or home.

It is massively important to pass trainees out. If everything was put on hold indefinitely, or until a vaccine is found (which may never happen) etc etc, the industry will likely be in a worse state than it is now. There’s a reason trainees are recruited after all.

It's massively important for whoever is running scotrail to get trainees passed out if they want to keep the level of service up and not massively important for the DI.

 

[320320]

There is only a higher risk of contracting the virus if the person you’re in a confined space with is carrying the virus. Weekly testing at least gives regular peace of mind as to trainee and DI being virus free. There’s only so much that can be done, but this at least forms some mitigation. You’re right it won’t stop either party contracting the virus, but the irony is, that if the virus is brought in to the cab, it’s likely come from somewhere outside the cab such as the gym/pub/restaurant or home.

Most people are doing their best not to contract Covid and for the majority of train drivers that’s going to involve not sharing a driving cab for a prolonged period of time with anybody, not just trainees. DTMs are only assessing by using downloads.

It is massively important to pass trainees out. If everything was put on hold indefinitely, or until a vaccine is found (which may never happen) etc etc, the industry will likely be in a worse state than it is now. There’s a reason trainees are recruited after all.

It’s massively important to trainees and to their respective companies but not to anybody else.
We‘re all banned from visiting our families, told not to car share and told to maintain 2 metre distancing in bothies and booking on points but we’ve just to disregard that so that the railway can full fill the timetable.
I understand the position trainees are in but it’s not the fault of DIs and DTMs.

 

[CFC1888]

320320, you have said the same stuff repeatedly for weeks and months. You're not attempting to provide an opinion, you're attempting to take satisfaction from the worry of those that this has effected. Your post history indicates that you floated in and out other threads acting the goat.


From my current job, I have been at the forefront of the covid situation since it began. I have had thousands of interactions with different people from all over Scotland. During that time, I've had very little PPE and only recently has there been any real drive from bosses to enforce PPE and certain workplace rules. In that time, I know 2 people who have caught the virus from a work perspective which highlights to me that the chances of catching the virus are slim. Thats my opinion and granted others will disagree with me. Also I am aware there will be many people who have had the virus and shown no signs whatsoever, which bring me to the current situation. The rules from Scotrail around weekly testing are a good thing and somewhat of an insurance policy. They are not asking people to go into a cab in blind faith. Taking aside the apparent trolling from 320320, most people take issue with your point as any trips to supermarkets, petrol stations, restaurants etc all carry far more risk than being ask to train fellow colleagues. Unless someone is completely refusing to go to shops etc, it seems contradictory that they would be uncomfortable with having a colleague who will be risk averse and keen to stick to all rules and regulations as they know failure to do so would have a massive impact of becoming a substantive train driver. I think that is where most people are struggling with your views. At the end of the day, every DTI has been a trainee before and I would like to think that most would be keen to assist.


At the end of the day, any TOC will be looking to employ trainees as they have identified a disparity in the numbers they need. That could be from a level of service point of view, to those who are due to retire or natural wastage with drivers moving to other TOCs.

What is the end game here? Will a payment encourage those 'worried' DTIs to assist? That would suggest they weren't that worried in the first place and are using the pandemic as a way to make a few extra quid.

Will Scotrail turn around and say that as there is an agreement with the union and the safety aspect has been somewhat overcome (to the best of their ability) and say are expecting DTIs to commence duties?

From reading and messaging other trainees from other TOCs, of course there is concern but nowhere near the same issue as there has been on here. I'm not wanting an argument with 320320, I'm just saying how it appears to me.

 

[320320]

320320, you have said the same stuff repeatedly for weeks and months. You're not attempting to provide an opinion, you're attempting to take satisfaction from the worry of those that this has effected. Your post history indicates that you floated in and out other threads acting the goat.


From my current job, I have been at the forefront of the covid situation since it began. I have had thousands of interactions with different people from all over Scotland. During that time, I've had very little PPE and only recently has there been any real drive from bosses to enforce PPE and certain workplace rules. In that time, I know 2 people who have caught the virus from a work perspective which highlights to me that the chances of catching the virus are slim. Thats my opinion and granted others will disagree with me. Also I am aware there will be many people who have had the virus and shown no signs whatsoever, which bring me to the current situation. The rules from Scotrail around weekly testing are a good thing and somewhat of an insurance policy. They are not asking people to go into a cab in blind faith. Taking aside the apparent trolling from 320320, most people take issue with your point as any trips to supermarkets, petrol stations, restaurants etc all carry far more risk than being ask to train fellow colleagues. Unless someone is completely refusing to go to shops etc, it seems contradictory that they would be uncomfortable with having a colleague who will be risk averse and keen to stick to all rules and regulations as they know failure to do so would have a massive impact of becoming a substantive train driver. I think that is where most people are struggling with your views. At the end of the day, every DTI has been a trainee before and I would like to think that most would be keen to assist.


At the end of the day, any TOC will be looking to employ trainees as they have identified a disparity in the numbers they need. That could be from a level of service point of view, to those who are due to retire or natural wastage with drivers moving to other TOCs.

What is the end game here? Will a payment encourage those 'worried' DTIs to assist? That would suggest they weren't that worried in the first place and are using the pandemic as a way to make a few extra quid.

Will Scotrail turn around and say that as there is an agreement with the union and the safety aspect has been somewhat overcome (to the best of their ability) and say are expecting DTIs to commence duties?

From reading and messaging other trainees from other TOCs, of course there is concern but nowhere near the same issue as there has been on here. I'm not wanting an argument with 320320, I'm just saying how it appears to me.

I don’t care what you or anybody else does in their current jobs. If you or they decided to interact with others on a daily basis without PPE, that was your choice.

I don’t care if you or anyone else don’t like my opinion, that’s what the ignore function is for.

You don’t work for scotrail, you don’t know the first thing about driving trains never mind teaching someone how to drive one and you don’t get to decide what level of risk anybody else will be exposing themselves to.

The only thing you and a few others want to hear is that DIs and DTMs are happy to resume training. That’s not the case in the area I work and it doesn’t make me a troll for pointing that out to people that seem to think we’re only here to teach you how to do it.

Nobody is going to be brow beaten or forced into resuming training and disregarding any concerns over Covid to appease trainees or companies pushing for more drivers, whether you like that or not you’ll have to get used to it.

 

[CFC1888]

I don’t care what you or anybody else does in their current jobs. If you or they decided to interact with others on a daily basis without PPE, that was your choice.

I don’t care if you or anyone else don’t like my opinion, that’s what the ignore function is for.

You don’t work for scotrail, you don’t know the first thing about driving trains never mind teaching someone how to drive one and you don’t get to decide what level of risk anybody else will be exposing themselves to.

The only thing you and a few others want to hear is that DIs and DTMs are happy to resume training. That’s not the case in the area I work and it doesn’t make me a troll for pointing that out to people that seem to think we’re only here to teach you how to do it.

Nobody is going to be brow beaten or forced into resuming training and disregarding any concerns over Covid to appease trainees or companies pushing for more drivers, whether you like that or not you’ll have to get used to it.

I get youre precious about it. Its a little bit of power you have and you enjoy it. You come across as quite controlling and quite strange.

We will all have to see. You and maybe one other person are the only people who have raised how grave the concerns are. As has been said, if the demand to get trainees out to make a multi million pound company progress then inevitably it will happen.

 

[Notsohappydays]

So what's safe then?

When will the DI's and DTM's resume training?

Based on what? What parameters?

Because there's around 150 people who would like to know.

 

[donpoku]

Hi @320320 hope you are well.

I respect and really appreciate your updates and info regarding the north side depots and Scotrail in general as you seem to be in the know.

But I believe what others are trying to say is if you can ease off slightly of the constant reminder that some D.I's will not be sharing cabs with trainees anytime soon.

As it come across a bit insensitive and touch of schadenfreude and only update when there is a change of stance. Is just a bit disheartening to constantly be reminded of bad news.

 

[320320]

I get youre precious about it. Its a little bit of power you have and you enjoy it. You come across as quite controlling and quite strange.

We will all have to see. You and maybe one other person are the only people who have raised how grave the concerns are. As has been said, if the demand to get trainees out to make a multi million pound company progress then inevitably it will happen.

The only thing strange here is someone that doesn’t even work for scotrail getting upset over the unwillingness of train drivers to share a confined cab with a trainee.

Nothing I’ve said is “quite controlling” ffs, I’m not the one demanding that DIs and DTMs resume training or suggesting that people will be removed from their jobs and others will hired in their place if they don’t do what they’re told.

Like i‘ve said already, if you don’t want to hear that people are concerned then put me on ignore and listen to the other posters that said trainees would back to work on the 28th and that DIs and DTMs are raring to go. I work on the most congested routes in Scotland and haven’t seen any trainees out, where are they then if I’m wrong or trolling about the concerns?

 

[CFC1888]

The only thing strange here is someone that doesn’t even work for scotrail getting upset over the unwillingness of train drivers to share a confined cab with a trainee.

Nothing I’ve said is “quite controlling” ffs, I’m not the one demanding that DIs and DTMs resume training or suggesting that people will be removed from their jobs and others will hired in their place if they don’t do what they’re told.

Like i‘ve said already, if you don’t want to hear that people are concerned then put me on ignore and listen to the other posters that said trainees would back to work on the 28th and that DIs and DTMs are raring to go. I work on the most congested routes in Scotland and haven’t seen any trainees out, where are they then if I’m wrong or trolling about the concerns?

It is strange. You expect almost every other sector to continue as normal, food shops, local services, nhs, police service, fire service. You are quite happy to take overtly more dangerous risks by going shopping etc but won't assist by helping guys get on in their job despite safety precautions being place. There is no weekly testing for NHS staff who are far more likely to contract it. Its clear to everyone that with you that its a power thing. Your the guy that every workplace has. Sucks the life out of a room.

I'm not concerned about people who are genuinely posting positive posts. The 28th is and was accurate. Trainees have entered into the testing system to allow them back into a cab. If you can't take that as a progressive move to get trainees back, then I have no idea what is. There have been medical carried out and interviews conducted. Again all positive steps to get the process moving.

Throughout this thread over the years, there have been multiple drivers who have came on to help people get through the process and assist them. People passing on their experience to help. Where were you at this point? You weren't wanting to assist anyone as your nature is so abundantly clear. Your that guy in every workplace. I'm not replying after this to you. You enjoy the attention you're getting.

 

[320320]

Hi @320320 hope you are well.

I respect and really appreciate your updates and info regarding the north side depots and Scotrail in general as you seem to be in the know.

But I believe what others are trying to say is if you can ease off slightly of the constant reminder that some D.I's will not be sharing cabs with trainees anytime soon.

As it come across a bit insensitive and touch of schadenfreude and only update when there is a change of stance. Is just a bit disheartening to constantly be reminded of bad news.

This will be my last reply regarding this.

I didn’t intend to upset anyone by telling them what was going on and if I was trolling I’d have told you that all the trainees would likely be sacked because of how long it has taken.

I don’t think people should have been giving definitive dates of return considering that neither aslef nor scotrail had consulted the people who would be expected to do the training.

Ive posted that it would probably just take longer to get through the backlog because a lot of people don’t want to increase their risk of infection by spending long periods of time in a confined space with another person.

As far as I’m concerned, all of the arguments regarding going to the gym, pub, shops or wherever else are irrelevant because there’s no other situation where I’d be in such close confines with another person for a lengthy period of time.

Good luck getting back to work.

 

[donpoku]

This will be my last reply regarding this.

I didn’t intend to upset anyone by telling them what was going on and if I was trolling I’d have told you that all the trainees would likely be sacked because of how long it has taken.

I don’t think people should have been giving definitive dates of return considering that neither aslef nor scotrail had consulted the people who would be expected to do the training.

Ive posted that it would probably just take longer to get through the backlog because a lot of people don’t want to increase their risk of infection by spending long periods of time in a confined space with another person.

As far as I’m concerned, all of the arguments regarding going to the gym, pub, shops or wherever else are irrelevant because there’s no other situation where I’d be in such close confines with another person for a lengthy period of time.

Good luck getting back to work.

Thanks for your understanding but please do let us know if there is any significant move forward as you seemed to be in the know more than a lot of us on here. Thank you, stay safe and bless.

 

[221221]

This will be my last reply regarding this.

I didn’t intend to upset anyone by telling them what was going on and if I was trolling I’d have told you that all the trainees would likely be sacked because of how long it has taken.

I don’t think people should have been giving definitive dates of return considering that neither aslef nor scotrail had consulted the people who would be expected to do the training.

Ive posted that it would probably just take longer to get through the backlog because a lot of people don’t want to increase their risk of infection by spending long periods of time in a confined space with another person.

As far as I’m concerned, all of the arguments regarding going to the gym, pub, shops or wherever else are irrelevant because there’s no other situation where I’d be in such close confines with another person for a lengthy period of time.

Good luck getting back to work.

I really hope that was your last post I doubt it but one can only hope. Hope is an appropriate word I hope you have considered the consequences of trainees not returning. If scotrail requires a reported 350 new drivers to meet the requirements of a 2021 timetable what do think will happen if the drivers aren’t there. Trains cancelled, reduced timetable, drivers overworked on OT, safety concerns, TE redundancy, station staff redundancy, etc etc etc, railway is not immune to a pandemic it affects us all. Sure you won’t be spouting that in the Bothy though as you will be ok

 

[320320]

Thanks for your understanding but please do let us know if there is any significant move forward as you seemed to be in the know more than a lot of us on here. Thank you, stay safe and bless.

company council update 02/10/20

Training school at atrium court to reopen as soon as possible but no later than 19/10/20.

Covid testing has been added at Aberdeen and Inverness.

Entering training bubbles is voluntary, anyone not wishing to participate to inform their manager with their reasons.

 

[kickin aff]

Read that on the latest ASLEF CC bulletin, which seems to suggest things going in the right direction.

I still envisage an issue with regards to getting DI's into cabs. No one really knows the true number who are still willing to carry on DI duties although a lot less than pre-covid.

 

[Notsohappydays]

company council update 02/10/20

Training school at atrium court to reopen as soon as possible but no later than 19/10/20.

Covid testing has been added at Aberdeen and Inverness.

Entering training bubbles is voluntary, anyone not wishing to participate to inform their manager with their reasons.

Reasons; 'Don't feel safe'
Parameters of reasons; Not disclosed.

 

[the sniper]

Reasons; 'Don't feel safe'
Parameters of reasons; Not disclosed.

Which is frankly irrelevant. No DI is or should be obliged to instruct. Even in normal times, being a DI doesn't make a great deal of sense to most. If there are people here that are new to the railway, that is just something you've got to accept.

The issue is, 320320 can't and shouldn't speak for all DIs or try to influence the decisions of other DIs. With a system agreed, each DI should then be free to make their own personal choice on whether they wish to continue instructing. It'll be what it'll be. Maybe 320320 will like the result, maybe he won't.