A lot of people think the only way to Edinburgh is from Queen St . I quite often change at Glasgow Central onto the fast Glasgow to Waverley via Shotts as its quieter and offers a good connection off the EK service. Of course the via Shotts fast service is only hourly and Queen St offers 4x hourly . I wonder what the journey time compares going via Cumbernauld to Waverley from Glasgow central.
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A lot of people think the only way to Edinburgh is from Queen St . I quite often change at Glasgow Central onto the fast Glasgow to Waverley via Shotts as its quieter and offers a good connection off the EK service. Of course the via Shotts fast service is only hourly and Queen St offers 4x hourly . I wonder what the journey time compares going via Cumbernauld to Waverley from Glasgow central.
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Blindtraveler
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not good I shouldnt think as stuff round Cumbernald is generally quite slow. As to more 380s, do we have too? Quite franky I think there horrid!
Work hasstarted on Paisley Canal, and I believe Cumbernauld is next to be done, and integrated into Queen Street Low Level.
When Wifflet is done I expect the short distance between Coatbridge and the junction on the Cumbernaul line (which have forgotten), will be done at same time
MidnightFlyer
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Never, I suspect closure is the likely future south of Girvan.
Cumbernauld would be a massive time penalty, I can't see it happening. Plus, stations via Falkirk High would lose up 50% of services, unless you make all services all stations, which would be pointless.
Blindtraveler
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agreed, what we want are faster journeys not the other way round!
That said, I couldnt tel you last time I used GLQ high level as the Shots semifasts or the A to B semi fasts are often better for where Im going and often quieter!
A little tip for somebody wanting to work, the mobile phone and 3g signals are far better on A to B.
That said, I couldnt tel you last time I used GLQ high level as the Shots semifasts or the A to B semi fasts are often better for where Im going and often quieter!
A little tip for somebody wanting to work, the mobile phone and 3g signals are far better on A to B.
alexf380
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and EDB- Newcraighall when it joins the re-opened waverley line
Yeah ive used the fast A to B services and they feel pretty quick. With regards to 380s the only improvements would be a carpeted floor and more airline seating .
tbtc
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Diverting half of the current Falkirk High services through Cumbernauld would slow them down quite a bit. Croy's success is partly because it's essentially the mainline station for "Greater Cumbernauld" - it's as handy for many of the spread out housing estates as the actual "Cumbernauld" station (which is a fair way from a lot of the town).
However there may be scope for some peak extensions of Stepps/ Cumbernauld/ Grahamston services to Edinburgh, in the way that there's a Kirkcaldy/ Inverkeithing service to Glasgow at rush hour...
Blindtraveler
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think the only problem with that is paths at haymarket. Pritty full these days and my guess is if anything some stuff wil be cut back at least until the rebuild is done and trams (supposedly) running in 2014. incidently part of haymarkets problem in my mind is the fact that only 2 of the platforms have knitting. How much would it cost to do 2, 1, 0 and the other 2 tunnelrs/through the gardens?
Be far more flexible with the number of electric services set to use the station esp if pendo worked BHM services continue and/or iv voyagers get panto cars.
Knitting 0 would allow any traction to be caped there too if theres probs at EDB.
Be far more flexible with the number of electric services set to use the station esp if pendo worked BHM services continue and/or iv voyagers get panto cars.
Knitting 0 would allow any traction to be caped there too if theres probs at EDB.
I thought 0 1 and 2 now do have wires, courtesy of the A-B project? If they've not, I'd expect them to be installed as part of EGIP.
As for Cumbernauld, how about a different idea? Put in a passenger station at Garangemouth, terminate the trains that currently terminate at Grahamston there. I know the idea of Grangemouth-Edinburgh services has occasionally been mentioned, but that has reversals inherent. Of course, it would mean Grangemouth-Edinburgh passengers having to cross the footbridge.
As for Cumbernauld, how about a different idea? Put in a passenger station at Garangemouth, terminate the trains that currently terminate at Grahamston there. I know the idea of Grangemouth-Edinburgh services has occasionally been mentioned, but that has reversals inherent. Of course, it would mean Grangemouth-Edinburgh passengers having to cross the footbridge.
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I think they are already doing/have done this (not quite sure if it is complete). Certainly we had quite a bit of weekend engineering disruption last year related to this project.
This ties in with building the Dalmeny Chord to allow E-G stopping service to access the new Gyle interchange, which is of course on the Fife lines.
Note - have just found this link http://www.networkrailmediacentre.c...VEMENTS-PROGRAMME-CONTRACTS-AWARDED-152f.aspx This says "In the short-term, the electrification of the north lines between Princes St Gardens and Haymarket, via the Haymarket north tunnel, will improve reliability and increase capacity into Edinburgh Waverley ahead of the introduction of the new, four trains an hour, Airdrie-Bathgate route in December 2010.
The £6m works at Haymarket north will involve track alignment and tunnel wall repairs to provide the correct clearances for the installation of overhead power lines through the tunnel".
Blindtraveler
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you may be correct Re HYM But always seam to be queing outside for a platform when on the evening pendo arival from EUS/BHM. As to grangemouth I like the idea but think esp if having to go via Falkirk youd have journey time issues that make the hourly citylink coach stil seam more attractive.
Doubt platforms 1 & 2 can be accessed from the Carstairs line? Whilst 1 &2 can be used by Glasgow & Dunblane diesel services, they mainly use 3&4, plus obviously you've also got Shotts line using them and A-B- whilst 1&2 go underused mainly serving Fife/points north.
Blindtraveler
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thanks my bad
tbtc
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Correct, the crossover from the Edinburgh Park line to the Fife line is opposite Haymarket depot, so only services from Edinburgh Park (and the "sub") can access the Fife platforms (not services from the Slateford direction though, like the Virgin ones)
(am avoiding referring to the "Glasgow" line, as obviously Glasgow services can come via both ways)
Whistler40145
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Are their plans to electrify the Edinburgh Sub?
This would be a useful diversion route for Passenger services & freight.
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Is there enough extra capacity through the tunnels south of Waverley to allow such diversions? I always thought that was the reason they gave for never reopening it to passengers trains (with intermediate stations etc).
Blindtraveler
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its certainly underused but admittedly very slow and unsure if it would warrant the investment. More useful id say to wire newcraighall and run a shuttle EMU rather than fife workings going there but they have made there bed on that one I think.
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mat, I aint sure on your point but harking back to the Waverley Platform works with some Fife workings terminating at HYM I thought this should have continued as theres a lot of traffic from there and it frees paths through the gardens. A few other routes E.G shots line stoppers could do likewise as off peek theres plenty fresh air being redistributed between the 2 stations
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mat, I aint sure on your point but harking back to the Waverley Platform works with some Fife workings terminating at HYM I thought this should have continued as theres a lot of traffic from there and it frees paths through the gardens. A few other routes E.G shots line stoppers could do likewise as off peek theres plenty fresh air being redistributed between the 2 stations
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Newcraighall is already electrified.
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I am wondering what they will do stock wise for the Edinbugh to Glasgow via Falkirk service given that it has 1st Class and tthat they are mooting 125mph operation again.
A build of 125mph capable cl380s with 1st class sections or something else?
A build of 125mph capable cl380s with 1st class sections or something else?
It's already wired. I would run the A+B's through to Newcraighall. However Newcraighall and Brunstane will become part of the Waverley line services when (if) it is built.
Blindtraveler
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dont think the 125 wil come that quickly and as this is supposed to be up and running in a few years I suspect another load of assorted bits of plastik and computers deskised as 380s wil be imported from Germany. Its a shame as in my mind we deserve better
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again my bad. You can so tel iv not slept
as to the Waverley? Dead duck. Its all got a bit daft and a bit like the Edinburgh trams I dont know a single person who wants it. Too me, it will only become a viable choice if run to CAR with a 170 or similar every cupple of hours doing the full run with maybe a few extentions into West Cumbria or reversal for Dumfries.
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again my bad. You can so tel iv not slept
as to the Waverley? Dead duck. Its all got a bit daft and a bit like the Edinburgh trams I dont know a single person who wants it. Too me, it will only become a viable choice if run to CAR with a 170 or similar every cupple of hours doing the full run with maybe a few extentions into West Cumbria or reversal for Dumfries.Blindtraveler
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are I had wondered. Ta Ainsworth
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Sure about that?
See the attached FOI request
No surprises there they seem to change their story on that point with the weather!
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Sure about that?
See the attached FOI request
So (initially) we'll have a similar situation to the WCML where 140mph units are limited to 125mph.
The new 125mph units that are said to be based on the 380s will be limited to 100mph. I suppose that's for the best really - to have a unit that will last around 40 years - that can travel 25% faster when track improvements are undertaken.
Eh...?
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tbtc
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I don't think there are many spare paths at either Waverley or Haymarket for "sub" services (or, if there are then I'd be using them to address capacity on the existing busy rotes.
Where, on the Falkirk High line, would there be a hope of 125mph?
Pipe dream - especially given the flat junctions, other services stopping at stations en route...
And, AFAIK, has never seen an EMU there (unless anyone can confirm)
again my bad. You can so tel iv not slept
I thought Network Rail were building it, supposed to start sometime this year? Suppose it has to compete with the X95 bus, in time and cost. The last time I used the X95 a few years ago it was about £5 single to Gala, not sure the train could compete with that, so the train will have to take a huge chunk off the 1h30 the bus takes.
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