dannypye9999
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Out of interest is there any other country using the same trams as they use on supertram. I'm always interested in different tram networks using the same make of trams as here.
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edwin_m
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I believe the design itself is unique but Duewag supplied trams to a wide range of cities over the decades until taken over by Siemens.
D365
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The Supertrams need replacement. But as alluded to in other posts, this requires funding which currently isn’t available.
Hyebone
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Passing through on the bus I’ve just seen 399206 stabled at Halfway (just after the tram platform). Any reason why?
Good point, unless it’s on both lines.Freezing temperatures have cause a rail to break so no trams can run between Cathedral and Malin Bridge/Middlewood.
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Not sure where the break is but surely they can run a partial service on both sides of the work?
Also, the TSY app still has the trams running.
Discuss223
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Cathedral to Malin Bridge is mostly on-street running. It would not be possible to have a tram operating on the wrong side of the road, quite dangerous actually.Freezing temperatures have cause a rail to break so no trams can run between Cathedral and Malin Bridge/Middlewood.
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Not sure where the break is but surely they can run a partial service on both sides of the work?
Interesting, would it be possible to explain to an interested layman please?
I assume it’s not signalled for wrong lin running plus junctions.
Discuss223
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Put simply, road traffic would be coming in the opposite direction, against the direction of travel, which could cause collisions. The roads would have to be closed effectively to all other traffic.
Sounds good to me
button_boxer
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The description they've now posted of bus diversions around the repair work suggests that the break is on the "towards-town" side of West Street, so it would theoretically be possible for them to send a few trams out to Middlewood/Malin Bridge and run a shuttle service between there and Shalesmoor (or even University, like they did in previous rail replacement closures, with single-line working up Netherthorpe Road), but that would involve stabling units out at the termini overnight and they wouldn't be able to bring them back to the depot if anything went wrong.
During planned engineering Trams have been 'stored' overnight in the past in the Brook Hill roundabout 'tunnel' and Middlewood to run shuttles from the Shalesmoor stop(crossover). They could and have run from University on the wrong road to the Xover at Shalesmoor. There is no place for bustitutes at Univresity, but there are buses every 5 minutes from Cathedral to University(51,52, 95 and 120).
Trams have been escorted wrong road along Glossop Road/West Street at these times in the past.
Glossop Road/West Street is one way road closed to traffic travelling towards between Regent Street towards Portland Street and City. This route into town is closed anyway on Fri. Sat evenings.
There is no bustitution from City to Hillsborough -use First service buses.
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As planned the broken rail on West Street was fixed overnight Saturday night and the line reopened ready for Sunday service so a full Yellow route service is running Meadowhall to Middlewood as well as the Tram Train running normally.
The Blue and Purple route still impacted by the broken rail on Park Grange Road. Trams running Malin Bridge to Sheffield Station and Gleadless Townend to Halfway with a bus running Fitzalan Square to Gleadless Townend.
The Blue and Purple route still impacted by the broken rail on Park Grange Road. Trams running Malin Bridge to Sheffield Station and Gleadless Townend to Halfway with a bus running Fitzalan Square to Gleadless Townend.
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How many trams are used to operate the Halfway shuttle, please, and where are they stabled overnight?
Discuss223
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Apparrently, there are two that are stuck at the Halfway end. They tend to be stabled at Halfway terminus overnight.
dannypye9999
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I was in Sheffield on Friday and the yellow Meadowhall service i was on terminated at Cathedral then formed a Halfway service. Wouldn't it have made more sense to just advertise them Meadowhall to Halfway rather than forcing passengers off the trams into the -10*C freezing cold at Ponds Forge then back onto the same tram?
edwin_m
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Just showing a direct service might make people think it avoids the city centre, which is where most of them will be going.
GardenRail
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Better off a shutting the system and use buses. The whole network is run down, looks tatty, and no prospect of any real money getting spent.
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Been on two trams in Sheffield today (one Blue route, one Yellow) both seemingly operating without conductors on board. Apart from the obvious revenue impacts, I'm guessing there is nothing to stop Trams in Sheffield operating without a 2nd member of staff as I believe their roles are not deemed safety critical? (TramTrains may be different)
When Supertram first started it was driver only operation, it was only when they discovered people were riding for free that conductors were employed. The ticketing to start with involved two machines, buy the ticket from one then validate it in the other, it took ages and I nearly missed the first tram from Meadowhall on the opening day!
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I agree as painful as it is to say. It either needs to be improved or give up.
Hasn't ridership continually gone down even before COVID. Although I don't think they are the only tram system with struggles around passenger growth.
GardenRail
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It really is a shambolic and extremely run down system. There's no TLC to any of its assets, mostly the stops. When something goes wrong it's never a speedy fix. Sad really when it's compared to Manchester for example, from a passenger perspective. I used to work for the trams in Sheffield as a conductor in 2003. There was pride in the network, everything was tidy and well maintained.
Sadly, it won't get better under council control. It will be run into the ground. I can seriously see the Sheffield system closing in my life time.
And then there's the condition of the roads wherever there's tram line. Malin Bridge and Hillsborough for example. Knackered.
py_megapixel
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The idea of replacing the system by buses is ludicrous. The state of the bus service is Sheffield is worse than the trams. Not even close. And you'd imagine they would have learned from the first time we tried ripping up tramways and running buses instead...
The reality is that Sheffield is failing at getting people out of cars. In particular, it's still very easy to drive into the centre, and parking is still very cheap. The result is that the city is choked with congestion and pollution, and public transport - ALL public transport - has been allowed to run down to the point that hardly anyone wants to use it if they have another option. Perhaps I'm preaching to the converted here but it doesn't really matter whether you have rubber on tarmac or steel on steel - public transport will inevitably be rubbish if you run the whole thing on a shoestring and show little to no interest in encouraging people to use it.
What it needs is a concerted effort to make public transport as a whole - not the trams or the blue buses or the white buses in isolation - a worthy alternative to the car. One would hope that with bus franchising likely to begin in the next few years, that will happen of its own accord to some extent - though it does also need the local authorities not to be afraid of annoying car drivers.
Yes the trams need a lick of paint, but that won't solve the structural issues with transport in Sheffield - and neither will shutting them down!
The reality is that Sheffield is failing at getting people out of cars. In particular, it's still very easy to drive into the centre, and parking is still very cheap. The result is that the city is choked with congestion and pollution, and public transport - ALL public transport - has been allowed to run down to the point that hardly anyone wants to use it if they have another option. Perhaps I'm preaching to the converted here but it doesn't really matter whether you have rubber on tarmac or steel on steel - public transport will inevitably be rubbish if you run the whole thing on a shoestring and show little to no interest in encouraging people to use it.
What it needs is a concerted effort to make public transport as a whole - not the trams or the blue buses or the white buses in isolation - a worthy alternative to the car. One would hope that with bus franchising likely to begin in the next few years, that will happen of its own accord to some extent - though it does also need the local authorities not to be afraid of annoying car drivers.
Yes the trams need a lick of paint, but that won't solve the structural issues with transport in Sheffield - and neither will shutting them down!
Sheffield's transport system is a mess, totally run into the ground. I switched to car. I got fed up of missing buses, missing trams etc., long diversions around every estate. The car is quicker and easier. If they make it impossible to get into Sheffield by car, I'll go elsewhere, Barnsley or Meadowhall for example instead.
Bearing in mind I was an ardent user of public transport for twenty years, commuting across from one end of Sheffield to the other. It became near impossible to use.
Bearing in mind I was an ardent user of public transport for twenty years, commuting across from one end of Sheffield to the other. It became near impossible to use.
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I remember the machines. they were complicated & fiddly to use & vandalised very quickly. also with no conductor late evening's wasn't pleasant as anti social behaviour could be a problem.
eastwestdivide
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Any recent news on the planned Magna tram stop? There’s no sign of any activity on the ground.
the intention is for work to start in March with the station open for the December National Rail timetable change, that is TBC.
Discuss223
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Some of their newer staff are very rude. The information screens have started to fail regularly. On my last visit to Sheffield, there was nothing displaying on the PIS and after a 20 minute wait, I gathered one wasn't going to turn up and took the bus. I
It used to be very good when Stagecoach operated it and all of the staff were polite and professional.
I concur, they'd be better off shutting it down and improving bus services, for a start by refurbishing the tatty old bus station there that's absolutely freezing, even with the doors closed!