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So what do you think of Russell Brand?

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Wyvern

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So what do you think of Russell Brand? In general I find hm extremely offensive but he seems to be hitting to be hitting the nail on the head. Or has he like Katie Hopkins (as in the Huffington Post 18/10/2013) at the opposite extreme found a lucrative band wagon?

Channel 4: Worlds collide as Russell Brand predicts a revolution : Paul Mason, Culture and Digital Editor

When Russell Brand told Jeremy Paxman there would an anti-capitalist revolution, the comedian was speaking for all those who despise what growing inequality is doing to their lives.

Russell Brand skewered my old mate Jeremy Paxman last night, on the subject of "revolution". Or rather, they skewered each other. It was one of those rare media occasions where each participant achieves exactly what they want to: Russell to inspire a generation, Jeremy to get a feisty interview with one of the key voices of his age.

Russell's normal shtick is benign mayhem: to be the Jungian trickster. Jeremy's shtick is to conduct every interview from the point of view of an 18th century country vicar, who if the times were not so chaotic might - as in Orwell's poem - "preach upon eternal gloom / And watch my walnuts grow".

In Jeremy's world all legitimacy comes from the parliamentary process and the monarchy. In Russell's world things are different. In Russell's world people are so fed up with capitalism that there is a high likelihood of revolution. When he made this point, Jeremy's eyebrow went crazy.


So who is right?

Russell stands up in front of thousands of young people who've paid a serious dollop of their wages to hear him make them laugh. Though he looks like a survivor from Altamont, his audience do not: they are young, professional people; nurses, bank clerks, call centre operatives.

And what Russell has picked up is that they hate, if not the concept of capitalism, then what it's doing to them. They hate the corruption manifest in politics and the media; the rampant criminality of a global elite whose wealth nestles beyond taxation and accountability; the gross and growing inequality; and what it's doing to their own lives.

Russell's audience get pay cheques, but their real spending power is falling. They don't just need help to buy, they need help to pay the mortgage; help to get out of relationships that are collapsing under economic stress; help to pay the legal loan shark and meet the minimum credit card payment.

Above all, they need help to understand what kind of good life capitalism is going to offer their generation. Because since Lehman Brothers that has not been obvious.

Jeremy's audience consists of their mums and dads. They too are worried about the future, but - as a generation - financially secure.

So when Russell tells Jeremy profit is evil, that capitalism is destroying the planet, that politics is corrupt, it's like watching proxies for two completely different worlds collide.

Of course, it's not really Paxman who should be having to defend the status quo: it's the people who think it's a great idea to let a private health guy run the NHS. Or that having most of the press owned by a few rich men who keep their money offshore is normal.

Spiritual revolution

In this week's New Statesman Russell Brand spells out a 4,500 manifesto for what turns out to be a slow, spiritual revolution which he thinks has begun:

"To genuinely make a difference, we must become different; make the tiny, longitudinal shift. Meditate, direct our love indiscriminately and our condemnation exclusively at those with power. Revolt in whatever way we want, with the spontaneity of the London rioters, with the certainty and willingness to die of religious fundamentalists or with the twinkling mischief of the trickster. We should include everyone, judging no one, without harming anyone."

I think, on balance, Russell is right about the prospect of a revolution. It won't be a socialist revolution, nor even an anti-capitalist one in design. It will be a rejection of the corrupt values of those who run society.

It will be something cultural - like the mass uprising of Turkish youth I saw in Taksim Square this year. A complete rejection of the corrupt and venal values of those who run society. In fact, as I've written before, it's already going on.

What's driving it is the failure of the current model of capitalism to answer some basic questions: like where will the jobs come from if automation takes over our lives? Where will high wages come from if workers' bargaining power is just repeatedly stamped down by the process of globalisation? How will this generation be secure in old age, if the pension system is shattered and we face half a century of boom-bust?

To people of my generation the absence of outright anger, rage and aggression sometimes makes it seem like young people don't care about any of this. But anger and rage are behaviourally impossible in our society: show any kind of emotion, or raise your voice, and the range of official responses goes from "being asked to leave" to tasering.

All the repression of the various protests - Sol, Syntagma, Taksim, Occupy - has done is to force the anger and rejection inwards.

Social unrest

The revolution that's underway is more about mental and cultural rejection of the story on offer: to leave college with a heap of debt, to work as a near-slave in your early twenties in the name of "work placement" or "internship".

And it is not only Russell who thinks there's going to be a revolution. Analysts at the Gartner group, an IT consultancy, recently issued this warning:

"By 2020, the labor reduction effect of digitization will cause social unrest and a quest for new economic models in several mature economies. A larger scale version of an "Occupy Wall Street"-type movement will begin by the end of 2014, indicating that social unrest will start to foster political debate."

So Russell versus Jeremy was a big cultural event, akin maybe to one of those David Frost interviews in the Profumo era, only in this case it's the interviewee, not the interviewer, who speaks for the upcoming generation.

Because while on my timeline everybody over 40 is saying, effectively, "tee hee, isn't Brand outrageous", a lot of people in their twenties are saying simply: Russell is right, bring it on.
 
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I have mixed feelings about him. On one hand he's an arrogant t##t, but at times he does seem to speak common sense and appear quite intelligent.

But in this case I think he is way off, and either just trying to get attention or - worse - actually trying to encourage people to rebel.
 

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I dont really like him but he is right about what he says, at least in part, in relation to captialism.

The"system" does need to change and the "market" needs to be managed better - There wont be a revolution though and nothing will change!
 

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Maybe a lot of people are venting their frustrations through Facebook
 

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I know someone (in Brooklyn NY) who went for an audition for a day player role in the "Arthur" movie and she found him very pleasant and full of fun in person.
Just like Awesome Kong (ex-TNA/WWE wrestler) his on-screen persona is nothing like how he is in normal interaction with others. The on-screen persona is all an act that presumably he has found works for him and brings him fame and fortune.
My friend didn't get the part she auditioned for, but that's life.

A day player role is for a minor actor who appears just once, speaks a line or two and is never seen again (hotel clerk, store clerk sort of thing) but still collects residuals just like the main actors.
 

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Brand's a complete fool. Whilst capitalism isn't entirely perfect if left completely alone I dread to think what its alternatives are like. You also have to think what a revolution would entail. Not every revolution leads to a better life for people...
 
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The danger is that anyone famous and in a position of influence could cause all sorts of problems, although I doubt there will ever be an uprising - unless it's just a repeat of the riots and a nice excuse to go looting.

We've never had access to as much information as we do not, or the means to communicate to everyone else - but I think we also live in a time where most people will not do sod all when push comes to shove. They can sit at home and forward on things that 'outrage' them and slag off politicians, bankers etc - but ultimately won't ever do anything that requires anything more complicated than clicking 'like' or 'RT'.

So, I doubt anyone will even remember this interview in a few weeks (unless he keeps on going on and on about it to everyone he sees from now on, which I doubt as it probably won't do him any good career wise).
 

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Idiot full stop that's all I need to say...

Reasons?

I have never been a fan of Russell Brand and some of his more outrageous stunts in the past, his pairing with Jonathan Ross was probably his nadir, but I have recently warmed to him as he has expounded his political views. Just watched the conversation on You Tube (on the strength of this thread) and frankly he said very little that I disagreed with.
 

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I'm in my 20s.

Mr Brand believes profit is evil? I presume then most of the shows he has done have not benefitted him financially? Considering his decadent lifestyle, I suspect not...

I have massive respect to socialists who actually live a socialist lifestyle, despite how difficult it is in modern society. Dennis Skinner, Labour MP for Bolsover since 1970, is a hardline socialist who only takes home the average UK salary, barely claims expenses, and has not missed a Commons sitting (except for health reasons). Although I am not a socialist, if I lived in Bolsover he would have my vote.

I don't mind Brand saying that the current system does not work (clearly it is not working effectively, there are massive disparities in wealth), but he should practice what he preaches.
 

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Well. I'm not particularly well versed in Mr Brand's sense of humour, but he seems to have hit on a point.

Think back (if you're old enough ;)) to 1989 and the fall of the Berlin wall.

Western democratic capitalism was on the verge of an historic victory and some people even felt that this might be the "end of history" as we knew it.

What was it that made this happen without a shot being fired ? Yes, the Western powers had bankrupted the Soviet Union with a nuclear arms race, but that doesn't explain why the West had apparently won the hearts and minds of the Eastern Block.

Personally, I think that these events occurred because western democratic capitalism was seen to deliver tangible wealth to its citizens. Yes, there was inequality, but generally the population was seen, as a whole to benefit from progress.

Fast forward to now. Inequality seems to be increasing across the Western countries and wages are stagnating. In America, wages have been stagnant since the early noughties, which includes several years before the big recession. This seems to be a real problem for the Western "brand". If all we have to offer is a sort of pseudo feudal system with a super wealthy elite running everything and the majority of the population kept on declining and insecure wages, then there's no guarantee that other parts of the world won't look to worse alternatives and we might find ourselves competing with them on a philosophical and even material level.
 

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Deltic1989 and The Edge have summed up my feelings about him perfectly!

I suppose he has a new Tour starting or a new DVD out and is just trying to get 'in the news' for a bit of publicity.

Harlesden, do you think it could have been the fact that she is female and he is a randy twit that had anything to do with how polite he was?
 

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Deltic1989 and The Edge have summed up my feelings about him perfectly!

I suppose he has a new Tour starting or a new DVD out and is just trying to get 'in the news' for a bit of publicity.

Harlesden, do you think it could have been the fact that she is female and he is a randy twit that had anything to do with how polite he was?

Not sure about that (the tour or new dvd), remember watching him on Question Time a few months ago and he was brilliant, again speaking a lot of sense and saying how it is....given his chequered history he could say anything to get a bit of attention, I don't think that this will get him many paragraphs in the Sun.
 

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Brand's a complete fool. Whilst capitalism isn't entirely perfect if left completely alone I dread to think what its alternatives are like. You also have to think what a revolution would entail. Not every revolution leads to a better life for people...

Quite. We live in a country full of corrupt and inept politicians (with one or two honourable exceptions) and big business and utility companies that screw it's often captive audience for every penny it can get, but it could really be a lot worse. East Germany springs immediately to mind. There is an alternative and that is for corporate business to follow something similar to the John Lewis model, whereby all employees take a percentage share of annual profits and have a seat at the board table. Not quite sure how we can rid ourselves of our dross politicians though!
 

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Quite. We live in a country full of corrupt and inept politicians (with one or two honourable exceptions) and big business and utility companies that screw it's often captive audience for every penny it can get, but it could really be a lot worse. East Germany springs immediately to mind. There is an alternative and that is for corporate business to follow something similar to the John Lewis model, whereby all employees take a percentage share of annual profits and have a seat at the board table. Not quite sure how we can rid ourselves of our dross politicians though!

You might also like to consider how you could get 'corporate business to follow something similar to the John Lewis model' - why on earth would they want to do that when they are successfully screwing us (and the earth) with their current practises? They would never voluntarily give that up, and government intervention is frowned upon in the market-led economy that we have...wasn't this one of the points Mr Brand was making?
 

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You might also like to consider how you could get 'corporate business to follow something similar to the John Lewis model' - why on earth would they want to do that when they are successfully screwing us (and the earth) with their current practises? They would never voluntarily give that up, and government intervention is frowned upon in the market-led economy that we have...wasn't this one of the points Mr Brand was making?

Brand seemed to be advocating social unrest - I would not. It is possible to have a revolution by largely peaceful means (Germany 1989 for example) but there needs to be a figurehead and then a trigger. Unfortunately the first doesn't exist and too many Brits are apathetic towards politics.
 

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Brand seemed to be advocating social unrest - I would not. It is possible to have a revolution by largely peaceful means (Germany 1989 for example) but there needs to be a figurehead and then a trigger. Unfortunately the first doesn't exist and too many Brits are apathetic towards politics.

You may well be right, but I thought that he was suggesting that social unrest would be inevitable.
 

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Put me in the 'he's a complete idiot' camp. I don't really understand why a comedian, whose political opinions are naive in the extreme, should be interviewed in a fashion that implies these views are worthy of serious consideration in the first place. Facile demagogery, in short...
 

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You may well be right, but I thought that he was suggesting that social unrest would be inevitable.

No, I think he made it clear that he is an advocate by using the words 'revolt by whatever way you want to....'. That sort of meaningless social unrest achieves nothing and is attractive only to the sort of yobs and anarchists who like to steal TV's, smash windows and degrade war memorials. Real and positive change will only come about when the silent majority are stirred into peaceful action.
 

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Or alternatively, he could have meant the sort of non-cooperation that ultimately led to the end of the British Raj in India. I‘m not advocating civil disobedience btw , but I do think the West needs to get its act together on inequality and living standards or risk decline and failure.
 

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Put me in the 'he's a complete idiot' camp. I don't really understand why a comedian, whose political opinions are naive in the extreme, should be interviewed in a fashion that implies these views are worthy of serious consideration in the first place. Facile demagogery, in short...

A comedian can hold political views! Many of them do...it is only your view that they are 'naive in the extreme'...

No, I think he made it clear that he is an advocate by using the words 'revolt by whatever way you want to....'. That sort of meaningless social unrest achieves nothing and is attractive only to the sort of yobs and anarchists who like to steal TV's, smash windows and degrade war memorials. Real and positive change will only come about when the silent majority are stirred into peaceful action.

The sort of 'meaningless social unrest' that you describe would surely be better described as 'mindless hooliganism', to me social unrest is a response to, for example, gross inequalities present in society. How to stir the 'silent majority' is another question, and what would they want?
 

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Or alternatively, he could have meant the sort of non-cooperation that ultimately led to the end of the British Raj in India. I‘m not advocating civil disobedience btw , but I do think the West needs to get its act together on inequality and living standards or risk decline and failure.

I'm not so sure he had that in mind but you make a good point re: India.
 

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. . . . . Inequality seems to be increasing across the Western countries and wages are stagnating. In America, wages have been stagnant since the early noughties, which includes several years before the big recession. This seems to be a real problem for the Western "brand". If all we have to offer is a sort of pseudo feudal system with a super wealthy elite running everything and the majority of the population kept on declining and insecure wages, then there's no guarantee that other parts of the world won't look to worse alternatives and we might find ourselves competing with them on a philosophical and even material level.

Vast inequality like the new Russia for instance, and India and China, much of Africa and the rest of the world. Is our future under the neoliberal free market system a descent to the worst the world can offer?

I dont think Brand is advocating revolution I think he is saying it will happen
 
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Vast inequality like the new Russia for instance, and India and China, much of Africa and the rest of the world. Is our future under the neoliberal free market system a descent to the worst the world can offer?

I dont think Brand is advocating revolution I think he is saying it will happen

The irony is that utopian ideologies (e.g. Nazism, Communism) promise a bright new future, but in practice lead to inequality through the construction of a new ruling class.

A good example would be the former USSR, where Party members enjoyed a much higher standard of living than the average worker, in the sense that Party members were entitled to dachas in the countryside, a car provided for them by the state, and access to Western consumer goods which would be unaffordable for the average citizen.

An even more graphic example of the inequality perpetuated under 'egalitarianism' would be the situation in North Korea, where even in Pyongyang (considered to be a showpiece capital) most residents only receive electricity for two to three hours a day, yet Kim Jong Il (and Kim Il Sung before him) lived in luxurious residences (link)
 

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Yes but I was writing about the version of capitalism referred to as neoliberalism, that Russia has gained from the US, with a few people of vast wealth and vast numbers of people in extreme poverty. There are many in the latter group who hanker after the old days.

The most successful version of capitalism was that practised in Britain after World War 2 until people - management as well as workers - got complacent and reactionary.
 
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