Southwestern depot and stabling alterations

[Flange Squeal]

Woking got three in the end, in the up yard next to the Balfour Beatty depot. Not sure about the others I’m afraid.

 

[pompeyfan]

Fratton is coming along nicely

 

[Bigfoot]

I believe all others are complete.

 

[swt_passenger]

Woking got three in the end, in the up yard next to the Balfour Beatty depot. Not sure about the others I’m afraid.

It is odd, originally quoted as 6, then was going to be 4 when the network change was published, (post #27), then 3 as installed.

Might explain why Farnham suddenly needs 3 more, it’s in the right general area I suppose...

 

[Bigfoot]

It is odd, originally quoted as 6, then was going to be 4 when the network change was published, (post #27), then 3 as installed.

Might explain why Farnham suddenly needs 3 more, it’s in the right general area I suppose...

Was supposed to be 3 each side of the main, but there were issues (can't remember exactly what) on the down side, so just the three on the up were brought into use.

 

[Class 170101]

It is odd, originally quoted as 6, then was going to be 4 when the network change was published, (post #27), then 3 as installed.

Might explain why Farnham suddenly needs 3 more, it’s in the right general area I suppose...

Was supposed to be 3 each side of the main, but there were issues (can't remember exactly what) on the down side, so just the three on the up were brought into use.

Do any of the sidings at Woking interfere with proposals for a flyover?

 

[Bigfoot]

Do any of the sidings at Woking interfere with proposals for a flyover?

I would guess that there would be big changes should it be built.

 

[swt_passenger]

Do any of the sidings at Woking interfere with proposals for a flyover?

It might well be why 6 berthing sidings wasn’t possible. It was asked about earlier, AIUI the proposed flyover will come down in between up slow and up fast, so at the very least the up slow will have to be slewed north an equivalent distance. But they’ll almost certainly need more room to actually build it.

 

[Eastwestjct]

It might well be why 6 berthing sidings wasn’t possible. It was asked about earlier, AIUI the proposed flyover will come down in between up slow and up fast, so at the very least the up slow will have to be slewed north an equivalent distance. But they’ll almost certainly need more room to actually build it.

The Sidings disappear under flyover scheme.

 

[Flange Squeal]

I’m sure I read somewhere that, as ‘Eastwestjct’ says above, the flyover would see at least some of even the sidings that did make reality go. I believe that is also the reason for them not having CET facilities installed in the end, due to the possibility of them only being temporary.

 

[Class 170101]

Is building those sidings at Woking somewhat short sighted then and a waste of money if they need to be ripped up later?

 

[Goldfish62]

Is building those sidings at Woking somewhat short sighted then and a waste of money if they need to be ripped up later?

That's if we believe the flyover will ever built.

 

[theironroad]

That's if we believe the flyover will ever built.

Not sure about ever, but can't see it happening anytime soon. As part of ERMAs , DfT said they wanted a focus on reducing costs on capital projects and I'd imagine a Woking flyover has dropped down the ladder a lot.

 

[Dunfanaghy Rd]

Is building those sidings at Woking somewhat short sighted then and a waste of money if they need to be ripped up later?

The current Up Yard sidings (3 to 5, I believe) were started many years ago with a grand clearance of the old 3 to 6 and 3 Dead-end to 6 Dead-end. Work proceeded a the pace of snail on dope for a couple of years (and a right pig's ear they were making of it). Eventually someone took the job by the scruff of the neck and got it finished. I'd stopped going to Woking before the juice rail went in, and I've been retired for 3 years, so it must have started off about 10 years back, at a guess.
Pat

 

[Eastwestjct]

I’m sure I read somewhere that, as ‘Eastwestjct’ says above, the flyover would see at least some of even the sidings that did make reality go. I believe that is also the reason for them not having CET facilities installed in the end, due to the possibility of them only being temporary.

Yes basically the EMU stabling sidings go when flyover is built.
Where the space is going to be found for replacement unsure

 

[Goldfish62]

Not sure about ever, but can't see it happening anytime soon. As part of ERMAs , DfT said they wanted a focus on reducing costs on capital projects and I'd imagine a Woking flyover has dropped down the ladder a lot.

I was thinking more in terms of when the near-inevitable service cuts happen would the flyover actually be a significant performance benefit? I think the business cases for a lot of infrastructure enhancements are going to be blown apart in future.

 

[Meerkat]

If they don’t build it soon it may get a lot harder as everything around the site gets redeveloped.
The bridge just to the west of the station needs replacing soon, which will be massively disruptive. Using that blockade to get a load of flyover work done would be sensible.
AIUI the flyover would make timetabling much easier and give much more flexibility for providing better services, not just more seats (including Heathrow Southern Link). Extending the slow trains to Guildford would help quite a bit.

 

[Bigfoot]

If they don’t build it soon it may get a lot harder as everything around the site gets redeveloped.
The bridge just to the west of the station needs replacing soon, which will be massively disruptive. Using that blockade to get a load of flyover work done would be sensible.
AIUI the flyover would make timetabling much easier and give much more flexibility for providing better services, not just more seats (including Heathrow Southern Link). Extending the slow trains to Guildford would help quite a bit.

The bridge is planned for replacement in 2024 according to a local council announcement/leaflet.

 

[Meerkat]

The bridge is planned for replacement in 2024 according to a local council announcement/leaflet.

I have only seen it as in the next NR control period.
The council need it for road widening, and NR need to get on with it before all the sites they could use to build the bridge get built on!

 

[pompeyfan]

A notice informing traincrew and staff of switch on for Fratton’s new roads has been disseminated. Interestingly they’ve relaid 3 12 car roads, however only the 2 CET roads will receive 3rd rail. The “freight road” remains as a freight road, with rumours there may be a new flow of Bananas!

 

[Goldfish62]

Feltham is looking very advanced now. The London-facing connection has been installed and all the new signalling on the main line is in place.

 

[spark001uk]

Yes I saw it all earlier, looking good. I wonder if any 701s currently stored at Eastleigh will move up there when it opens?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

A notice informing traincrew and staff of switch on for Fratton’s new roads has been disseminated. Interestingly they’ve relaid 3 12 car roads, however only the 2 CET roads will receive 3rd rail. The “freight road” remains as a freight road, with rumours there may be a new flow of Bananas!

The 3rd non electrified siding is to replace the DMU stabling lost behind the fuel road presently.

 

[moley]

A notice informing traincrew and staff of switch on for Fratton’s new roads has been disseminated. Interestingly they’ve relaid 3 12 car roads, however only the 2 CET roads will receive 3rd rail. The “freight road” remains as a freight road, with rumours there may be a new flow of Bananas!

The commercial ferry port has indeed signed a new lease with Network Rail for access to the freight road at "Fratton Goods Yard". Geest have returned with their fruit imports and further fruit pallet deals have been done. The port traffic has returned earlier this year but currently travels by road until Fratton is ready.

 

[pompeyfan]

The 3rd non electrified siding is to replace the DMU stabling lost behind the fuel road presently.

I suppose that makes sense however GWR have managed perfectly well with 3 departures and limited berthing. I’d have thought for added flexibility it would have made sense to juice it.

The commercial ferry port has indeed signed a new lease with Network Rail for access to the freight road at "Fratton Goods Yard". Geest have returned with their fruit imports and further fruit pallet deals have been done. The port traffic has returned earlier this year but currently travels by road until Fratton is ready.

have you got any sources for this? Exciting if it does happen!

 

[Goldfish62]

Yes I saw it all earlier, looking good. I wonder if any 701s currently stored at Eastleigh will move up there when it opens?

Is the new signalling commissioned, or still hooded, did you notice?

 

[TEW]

Is the new signalling commissioned, or still hooded, did you notice?

1st November it is due to be commissioned I beleive.

 

[spark001uk]

Is the new signalling commissioned, or still hooded, did you notice?

Can confirm as of just now, signal at end of Feltham up platform is still bagged over.

 

[Goldfish62]

Can confirm as of just now, signal at end of Feltham up platform is still bagged over.

The new signalling is now fully operational and the old equipment removed.

The depot looks very close to completion now, at least in terms of being able to store rolling stock (eg 701s).

 

[spark001uk]

Just noticed three additional locations showing (on RTT at least). They are "Feltham Arr Rd Country End", "Feltham Arr Rd London End", and "Feltham Depot".