SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

[swt_passenger]

I doubt theirs much difference because they both go through the same process. I wonder if all the carpet and upholstery is totally replaced on a semi-referb.

Yes, AFAICT semi-refurbs did have most of the carpets replaced and all the standard seats reupholstered. The standard seats to be removed from the area behind the cabs would then provide about half of those to be moved into the original first class area when it is stripped out.

I’d have thought the second stage of the refurb for those units would be reduced by enough time to be noticeable.

 

[RealTrains07]

Even units that haven’t been semi or fully refurbished yet still get new stickers and display stuff on the inside which is nice at least

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

Even units that haven’t been semi or fully refurbished yet still get new stickers and display stuff on the inside which is nice at least

Yeah, I do like SWR's house style/brand more than the old SWT one.

 

[Dan15812]

Yeah, I do like SWR's house style/brand more than the old SWT one.

Yeah, fully agreed

 

[Milo T.K]

What's the refurbishment update like?

 

[swt_passenger]

What's the refurbishment update like?

Do you mean what is the latest progress?
Post #2288 lists completions as updated yesterday.

 

[Goldfish62]

Yeah, I do like SWR's house style/brand more than the old SWT one.

It was time for a change. The SWT brand was getting on for 20 years old and looked it. Always thought EMT looked fresher.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I understand the grab pole colour situation, what with them needing to be seen visibly, (although painting them yellow would comply and match their brand colours better), but what I just cannot stand (and this is noticeable on 350/1s too) is that South Western Railway have not even bothered to replace a single one of certain stickers that are blatantly in that very Stagecoachy font (you know, the one IKEA use too), these being:

The signs that point to the toilet and “refreshments”

The signs on the toilets

The red signs in the middle of the carriages saying the emergency alarms are by the doors

The No Smoking signs

The emergency exit signs and signs pointing to the emergency equipment


Maybe yes, these are little things but they stand out noticeably because the font clashes badly with the new font South Western Railway use.

 

[Goldfish62]

I understand the grab pole colour situation, what with them needing to be seen visibly, (although painting them yellow would comply and match their brand colours better),

So, as I have queried several times on this thread do other TOCs get away with it? For example, GA uses pale grey grabrails against a pale grey background.

The 442s have very dark blue grabrails.

I don't think the fact that the grabrails haven't changed is anything to do with visibility. It's either time, or expense or both.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

I understand the grab pole colour situation, what with them needing to be seen visibly, (although painting them yellow would comply and match their brand colours better), but what I just cannot stand (and this is noticeable on 350/1s too) is that South Western Railway have not even bothered to replace a single one of certain stickers that are blatantly in that very Stagecoachy font (you know, the one IKEA use too), these being:

The signs that point to the toilet and “refreshments”

The signs on the toilets

The red signs in the middle of the carriages saying the emergency alarms are by the doors

The No Smoking signs

The emergency exit signs and signs pointing to the emergency equipment


Maybe yes, these are little things but they stand out noticeably because the font clashes badly with the new font South Western Railway use.

I think that's just the Siemens Desiro font, it's not Stagecoach's.

 

[NewSt]

Those signs aren't in SWT/Stagecoach's font, that font is also used on other Desiros e.g. the LNWR 350s. It's the Siemens Desiro house style.

They are in SWT's house style, the font is called futura. They are used on the LNR 350/1s presumably because they either installed them before the order changed from 450s to 350s or they just used them as they had spare stock.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

They are in SWT's house style, the font is called futura. They are used on the LNR 350/1s presumably because they either installed them before the order changed from 450s to 350s or they just used them as they had spare stock.

Ah I see. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[NewSt]

Ah I see. Thanks for the explanation.

No problem.

 

[387star]

They are neutral enough
Surprised the refreshment sign is still there though

 

[Dan15812]

Does anyone know if the toilets are being refreshed as part of the Desiro refurbishment? They're in pretty poor condition. Luckily i manage to avoid using them!

 

[pompeyfan]

Does anyone know if the toilets are being refreshed as part of the Desiro refurbishment? They're in pretty poor condition. Luckily i manage to avoid using them!

The toilets are receiving a vinyl and a wipe down. Other than that they remain the same.

 

[Goldfish62]

I doubt theirs much difference because they both go through the same process. I wonder if all the carpet and upholstery is totally replaced on a semi-referb.

The partial refurbs already received new seat covers, cushions and carpets. The carpet will need some minor work where the guard's office is subsequently removed and the 1st Class relocated.

 

[Dan15812]

The partial refurbs already received new seat covers, cushions and carpets. The carpet will need some minor work where the guard's office is subsequently removed and the 1st Class relocated.

Yeah I know, but it seems a bit silly doing partially refreshed ones because removing the Gard's office must be quite a messy job. And it involves a patch of new carpet which would cost them more money and they don't need all those leather seats that they reupholstered for first!

 

[Goldfish62]

Yeah I know, but it seems a bit silly doing partially refreshed ones because removing the Gard's office must be quite a messy job. And it involves a patch of new carpet which would cost them more money and they don't need all those leather seats that they reupholstered for first!

The cushions can be kept as spares I would think.

 

[swt_passenger]

Yeah I know, but it seems a bit silly doing partially refreshed ones because removing the Gard's office must be quite a messy job. And it involves a patch of new carpet which would cost them more money and they don't need all those leather seats that they reupholstered for first!

Removing the guards office will be integrated with removing the existing first class partitions, and modifying the ceilings in the same overall area, so I would suggest it would be odd to not do it. Surely 16 of the 24 FC seats will be resited within the unit, the 8 spares just get stored and then “prime the pump” for other full refurbs.

 

[Dan15812]

Removing the guards office will be integrated with removing the existing first class partitions, and modifying the ceilings in the same overall area, so I would suggest it would be odd to not do it. Surely 16 of the 24 FC seats will be resited within the unit, the 8 spares just get stored and then “prime the pump” for other full refurbs.

Real shame they're not fresh out the factory!
Well at least the 444's are good.

 

[Dan15812]

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[RealTrains07]

Latest issue Modern railways did a few pages on SWR including the progress of the refurbishment

According to the MR article the 158s and 159s will all be finished by the end of the year and the desiro work will start at the beginning of next year?

Which is odd since the desiros are getting worked on now. Would this be to do with exterior work perhaps?

 

[Dan15812]

Latest issue Modern railways did a few pages on SWR including the progress of the refurbishment

According to the MR article the 158s and 159s will all be finished by the end of the year and the desiro work will start at the beginning of next year?

Which is odd since the desiros are getting worked on now. Would this be to do with exterior work perhaps?

I reckon they ment the other way round. Probably a mistake

 

[Goldfish62]

I reckon they ment the other way round. Probably a mistake

I'm sure they did state the other way round, correctly.

 

[387star]

Latest issue Modern railways did a few pages on SWR including the progress of the refurbishment

According to the MR article the 158s and 159s will all be finished by the end of the year and the desiro work will start at the beginning of next year?

Which is odd since the desiros are getting worked on now. Would this be to do with exterior work perhaps?

AFAIK next year Desiros external and diesels Internal
The stations look appalling with the blue bands as they are stick ons and peeling off

 

[Bigfoot]

Exterior desiro repaint starts in 2020 at Bournemouth.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

they don't need all those leather seats that they reupholstered for first!

What’s awful is they’re not even the same seats! I’ve sampled the part refurbished first class a fair few times and the fully refurbished numerous times, and you can tell they’re not the same seats by the headrest. The part refurbished ones have a deep dent in the head part, the refurbished ones do not.

It seems to me SWR have largely wasted time refurbishing the first class seats for the part refurbished units if they’re not going to be used when the full refurbishment starts!

 

[swt_passenger]

Latest issue Modern railways did a few pages on SWR including the progress of the refurbishment

According to the MR article the 158s and 159s will all be finished by the end of the year and the desiro work will start at the beginning of next year?

Which is odd since the desiros are getting worked on now. Would this be to do with exterior work perhaps?

In an attempt to clarify, I’ve read the relevant section, on page 59, which is clearly only about the 158s/159s. What it says is that the current 158/159 work at Brush will complete just before Christmas, then it will be followed next year by a similar reconfiguration to that on the Desiro fleet to provide an increase in standard class seating...”. My bolding.

In other words they are comparing the type of work to be done on the DMU’s seating layout, (eg 2+2 First Class etc), to the Desiros, but not referring directly to the Desiros, the latter’s key dates having already been described on page 57.

 

[RealTrains07]

Exterior desiro repaint start in 202p at Bournemouth.

Thats what i thought