SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

[Matt Taylor]

Lol how did you find out it was going to be on TV? It was sworn to secrecy!

Because it said 'Takeaway Express' on the pis for everyone to see!

 

[HeelBurton]

Because it said 'Takeaway Express' on the pis for everyone to see!

That should have not been put up so early!

 

[Monty]

That should have not been put up so early!

Hardly classified information.

 

[andyc20050]

444030 now has SWR logos

 

[class387]

444030 now has SWR logos

What colour are they (I assume they aren't white)?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

What colour are they (I assume they aren't white)?

Blue, another member said.

 

[andyc20050]

Blue writing on a white background.

 

[K.o.R]

Saw a 444 this morning with SWR stickers over the old SWT logo. Looked to be black text and the light blue logo (so the standard "full colour logo when on white").

Saw another one later in the day. They hadn't bothered to clean the thing before sticking on the stickers...

 

[dp21]

444030 now has SWR logos

Just seen it trundle through Guildford. Took me by surprise as I hadn't seen this post. Dark blue writing, white background, light blue arrow logo.

 

[SevenEightNine]

450 093 now has SWR stickers.

Edit: 450 079 too.

 

[dp21]

One for the list, 444 010 has SWR stickers on too

 

[Helvellyn]

Wonder if 450111 is a prototype to test the carpets, seat covers and general colour scheme before squadron refurbishment? Or, conspiracy theory, they have done a unit in a temp job and this becomes the filming unit. Given how much SWT did I could see SWR seeing this as a nice little earner but at the same time wanting something to use that is less obviously SWT!

 

[Mainline421]

Photo of the new branding on 444s: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mainline421/38753999440/in/dateposted/

 

[Goldfish62]

Saw a 444 this morning with SWR stickers over the old SWT logo. Looked to be black text and the light blue logo (so the standard "full colour logo when on white").

Saw another one later in the day. They hadn't bothered to clean the thing before sticking on the stickers...

Given that SWT never bothered cleaning them I imagine the dirt is fused to the paintwork by now!

 

[pompeyfan]

Given that SWT never bothered cleaning them I imagine the dirt is fused to the paintwork by now!

Not strictly fair, the carriage washers are no longer allowed to use the strong acid to keep the bodywork white. Instead they have to be hand bashed which happens periodically now, just like it did under SWT

 

[Goldfish62]

Not strictly fair, the carriage washers are no longer allowed to use the strong acid to keep the bodywork white. Instead they have to be hand bashed which happens periodically now, just like it did under SWT

Yet other operators have managed to keep their white trains clean.

 

[pompeyfan]

Yet other operators have managed to keep their white trains clean.

Fair point, I’m sure there’s another reason deep down then, come to think of it, cant even blame the 3rd rail as SE manage to keep them white.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Fair point, I’m sure there’s another reason deep down then, come to think of it, cant even blame the 3rd rail as SE manage to keep them white.

Yes but to be fair SE fail in so many other ways compared to SWR IMO, so…

 

[dp21]

If I remember correctly there was an issue around being able to hand bash as someone put their foot in the shoe fuse box thinking they could use it as a step and so hand bashing was suspended. I didn't hear any more after that.

 

[59CosG95]

Fair point, I’m sure there’s another reason deep down then, come to think of it, cant even blame the 3rd rail as SE manage to keep them white.

That could be due to the fact that SWR's 444s have much more intensive use than SE's 375s, and have had fewer miles between failures (so don't spend nearly as long on depot). The SE = white point is becoming more and more moot as more and more of their fleet turns blue as well.

Yes but to be fair SE fail in so many other ways compared to SWR IMO, so…

Such as?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

That could be due to the fact that SWR's 444s have much more intensive use than SE's 375s, and have had fewer miles between failures (so don't spend nearly as long on depot). The SE = white point is becoming more and more moot as more and more of their fleet turns blue as well.

Such as?

Their first class is appalling.
They offer minuscule if any catering service.
The state of some of their Networkers are shocking.

 

[The Ham]

I bet that SWR are glad that their train that was stuck overnight was still in SWT livery and so some national media organisations were referring to SWT in their reports!

 

[59CosG95]

Their first class is appalling.
They offer minuscule if any catering service.
The state of some of their Networkers are shocking.

Given the relatively short distances travelled by SE units, catering isn't really needed.
While I can't comment on the state of First Class, the states of the Networkers are probably compounded by intense service schedules (i.e. very little downtime) combined with SE London and urban Kent's antisocial behavioural tendencies.

By contrast, SWR run longer distance services (i.e. to Weymouth/Exeter) so First Class and catering (even if it is just a trolley) are a more worthwhile option to pursue. One could also argue that SWR (and SWT before them) ramped up the quality of maintenance at WD to cater for the (perhaps more influential) Surrey commuter base...but the socio-political effects of train maintenance standards are, in the context of a livery progress thread, neither here nor there.

Back to the topic at hand: does anyone here know how long a wait needs be taken between rubbing a train down and repainting it? More news on 450113 is eagerly awaited.

 

[envirommc]

Just a thought I wonder if 450543 to 450570 will revert back to 450043 to 450070 after beingrefurbished

 

[59CosG95]

Just a thought I wonder if 450543 to 450570 will revert back to 450043 to 450070 after beingrefurbished

I'm looking forward to finding out. Chances are they won't be, as SWR probably wants to keep its allocation data files in place with minimum changes.

 

[pompeyfan]

All 450/5s will revert back to previous layout, not sure if numbers will revert.

 

[43096]

All 450/5s will revert back to previous layout, not sure if numbers will revert.

I'm not sure the term "revert" is correct - all the 450s will be standardised would be better, as IIRC the first class is being changed to be behind each cab rather than in one of the middle trailers.

 

[pompeyfan]

I'm not sure the term "revert" is correct - all the 450s will be standardised would be better, as IIRC the first class is being changed to be behind each cab rather than in one of the middle trailers.

Well said, I should have worded it correctly, all original seats will be returned and extra grab rails around the vestibules removed.

 

[Samson]

450555 and 450121 now have SWR stickers.

 

[K.o.R]

Just saw the SWR-liveried 450 come through Portsmouth & Southsea.