SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

[444045]

Pleased to say that U.450015 is off its repaint and is on the Bournemouth to Winchester shuttles, should be on Lym Branch tomorrow.

2B44 1205 Bmouth to Winch
2B35 1349 Winch to Bmouth

U.450005 has taken its place.

 

[Dan15812]

SWR Desiro Repaints:

444s

002, 003, 005, 006, 007, 011, 012, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 027, 029, 030, 031, 032, 037, 038, 042 and 043 (27 units)(60% complete)

450s

005, 006, 009*, 013*, 015, 018, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 026, 027, 033, 036, 038, 039, 041, 043, 048, 056, 081, 101, 107, 113, 119 and 127 (25 units)(20% complete)

Feel free to let me know of any more repainted Desiros.


Note: (* = Currently being done)

444040 and 450111 have had vinyl wrap (not been painted)

 

[444045]

U.450038 was released off its repaint on Fri 25/6 and was replaced by U.450009 as per @Dan15812.

U.450038 has spent the weekend on the Lymington Branch and likely to be there again today 28/6.

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Update : U.450038 can be found on Bournemouth to Winchester shuttles today, Lymington Branch tomorrow.

U.450078 is on the Lymington Branch today.

 

[387star]

The vinyled diesels look awful as you can see the join marks. The colours are dull and vinyl makes it duller.

When will diesel fleet refurb start? All 159/1 and all but 3 of the 158s remain in set livery. Interestingly the vinyled 159/0 still seem to have red seats

 

[WarrenTManager]

The vinyled diesels look awful as you can see the join marks. The colours are dull and vinyl makes it duller.

When will diesel fleet refurb start? All 159/1 and all but 3 of the 158s remain in set livery. Interestingly the vinyled 159/0 still seem to have red seats

It’s out to tender.

https://procurement.gwr.com/tenders/11-tenders/first-group-notice/54-first-mtr-south-western-trains-modification-and-refresh-of-class-158-and-159-fleet

 

[444045]

Pleased to say that U.450005 is now released off its repaint and can be found on :

2B36 10 05 Bournemouth to Winchester.
2B27 11 49 Winchester to Bournemouth.
2B52 14 05 Bournemouth to Winchester.
2B43 15 49 Winchester to Southampton.
2B06 17 24 Southampton to Eastleigh.
5B07 17+41 Eastleigh to Northam Depot.

Believe that U.450013 has now gone in for its repaint.

 

[WarrenTManager]

It's just an unfortunate (in the circumstances) coincidence that the in-house team at Bournemouth won the contract to do the repaints not long before Covid struck. As I recall they could not get up to speed immediately because of the need to use 444s and 450s to cover for the 442s.

They have therefore never been painting at the rate that they should have been in order to complete the repaint programme in the planned three years.

Of course, with so much rolling stock currently lying around now it would be an ideal opportunity to really blast through the repaints, but capacity and Covid restrictions will prevent this I guess. Sub-contracting some of the work may be the answer. Otherwise there's going to be a Forth Bridge situation where the earlier repaints need doing again before the last ones have been completed!

Although for the Desiro, it isn’t in house. Bournemouth won the contract from Siemens to repaint the units. any subcontracting would cost SWR more than its own internal costs which would be foolish and seeing off its supply of work sooner, plus the money is needed to justify the cost of the paint booth and the staff. As longer as Siemens are happy I don’t see the issue.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Yeah, saw 450005 yesterday.

 

[fgwrich]

It’s out to tender.

https://procurement.gwr.com/tenders/11-tenders/first-group-notice/54-first-mtr-south-western-trains-modification-and-refresh-of-class-158-and-159-fleet

Oddly, the page has disappeared already. Contractor found or tender released too early?

 

[DelW]

As longer as Siemens are happy I don’t see the issue.

Well, next month it'll be four years since First/MTR took over the franchise, and around 70% of the Desiro fleet is still in faded 17 year old paint, in the colours of the previous operator, with stuck-on patches over the old branding.

That may or may not matter to most passengers, but it doesn't suggest that the company is much interested in its public image. Or perhaps with taxpayers meeting all the bills and paying a profit margin, no-one at SWR really cares any more.

 

[43102EMR]

Well, next month it'll be four years since First/MTR took over the franchise, and around 70% of the Desiro fleet is still in faded 17 year old paint, in the colours of the previous operator, with stuck-on patches over the old branding.

That may or may not matter to most passengers, but it doesn't suggest that the company is much interested in its public image. Or perhaps with taxpayers meeting all the bills and paying a profit margin, no-one at SWR really cares any more.

Part of the reason why it should’ve stayed with Stagecoach IMO - if it ain’t broke don’t fix it…

 

[pigs bay]

Well, next month it'll be four years since First/MTR took over the franchise, and around 70% of the Desiro fleet is still in faded 17 year old paint, in the colours of the previous operator, with stuck-on patches over the old branding.

That may or may not matter to most passengers, but it doesn't suggest that the company is much interested in its public image. Or perhaps with taxpayers meeting all the bills and paying a profit margin, no-one at SWR really cares any more.

You put in your text that SWR don't care any more, the question is have they ever cared about SWR. The way that they wasted all the money on the 442's, and then scrapping them, they could have had the whole 444 and 450 fleet repainted.

 

[Goldfish62]

Part of the reason why it should’ve stayed with Stagecoach IMO - if it ain’t broke don’t fix it…

I really thought we'd got past the mourning period for Stagecoach by now.

In any case SWT was pretty rubbish in its latter years. It's just unfortunate that what replaced it was even worse.

 

[43102EMR]

I really thought we'd got past the mourning period for Stagecoach by now.

In any case SWT was pretty rubbish in its latter years. It's just unfortunate that what replaced it was even worse.

Some of us are still there - especially when using SWR on a regular basis…

Personally I never really had a problem with them - but nothing lasts forever. Just wish the DfT had a crystal ball with things like the failed 442 project and the slow pace of the refurbishments to realise it was a poor choice reletting the franchise.

 

[Domh245]

Some of us are still there - especially when using SWR on a regular basis…

Personally I never really had a problem with them - but nothing lasts forever. Just wish the DfT had a crystal ball with things like the failed 442 project and the slow pace of the refurbishments to realise it was a poor choice reletting the franchise.

The franchise was up, and Stagecoach were unwilling to accept the terms of the direct awards offered. Given everything we've seen from SWR (and the wider railway since), getting out then still seems like a good idea!

 

[brooklynbound]

Well, next month it'll be four years since First/MTR took over the franchise, and around 70% of the Desiro fleet is still in faded 17 year old paint, in the colours of the previous operator, with stuck-on patches over the old branding.

That may or may not matter to most passengers, but it doesn't suggest that the company is much interested in its public image. Or perhaps with taxpayers meeting all ng a profit margin, no-one at SWR really cares any more.

IMHO Plenty of the unrelivered trains are in perfectly acceptable condition. They are certainly more pleasing internally and externally than the SWR refurbs and as for those dreadful vinyl / fake leather seat coverings that have appeared in some units, oh dear.

 

[WarrenTManager]

Oddly, the page has disappeared already. Contractor found or tender released too early?

Deadline was 02/07.

 

[Goldfish62]

IMHO Plenty of the unrelivered trains are in perfectly acceptable condition. They are certainly more pleasing internally and externally than the SWR refurbs and as for those dreadful vinyl / fake leather seat coverings that have appeared in some units, oh dear.

All the Desiros have been refurbished for some time now.

 

[444045]

Pleased to say that U.450009 has had its repaint and back in traffic service today on :

2B36 10 05 Bournemouth to Winchester.
2B27 11 49 Winchester to Bournemouth.
2B52 14 05 Bournemouth to Winchester.
2B43 15 49 Winchester to Southampton.
2B06 17 24 Southampton to Eastleigh.
5B07 17+41 Eastleigh to Northam Depot.

Believe that U.450029 has taken its place.

 

[Dan15812]

SWR Desiro Repaints:

444s

002, 003, 005, 006, 007, 011, 012, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 027, 029, 030, 031, 032, 037, 038, 042 and 043 (27 units)(60% complete)

450s

005, 006, 009, 013, 015, 016*, 018, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 026, 027, 029*, 033, 036, 038, 039, 041, 043, 048, 056, 081, 101, 107, 113, 119 and 127 (27 units)(21% complete)

Feel free to let me know of any more repainted Desiros.


Note: (* = Currently being done)

444040 and 450111 have had vinyl wrap (not been painted)

 

[317 forever]

Although there are regular updates on class 444 & 450 repaints, I wonder how many have been reupholstered. In Feb 2019 I rode a 450 still in SWT livery but reupholstered with SWR seating.

On an unrelated note, I have not seen any recent posts on refurb 158 or 159s with SWR.

 

[43096]

Although there are regular updates on class 444 & 450 repaints, I wonder how many have been reupholstered. In Feb 2019 I rode a 450 still in SWT livery but reupholstered with SWR seating.

There were regular updates on the internal work, but they were all completed around the start of last year.

 

[swt_passenger]

Although there are regular updates on class 444 & 450 repaints, I wonder how many have been reupholstered. In Feb 2019 I rode a 450 still in SWT livery but reupholstered with SWR seating.

On an unrelated note, I have not seen any recent posts on refurb 158 or 159s with SWR.

All the 444s and 450s have been completed inside for ages, IIRC it was a completely separate contract to the exterior work. Except for the couple of vinyled units, I don’t think the new livery painting started until nearly every interior was done. If you go back to posts #2711 etc, (about 5 Jan 2020) the very last 450/5 was being done at that time.


158/159 interior contract hasn’t started, to the best of my knowledge, I think from earlier discussions, (a good few pages back in this thread), it was never due to start until some time in 2020, for completion last December. I expect it was put back indefinitely because of the pandemic.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Although there are regular updates on class 444 & 450 repaints, I wonder how many have been reupholstered. In Feb 2019 I rode a 450 still in SWT livery but reupholstered with SWR seating.

On an unrelated note, I have not seen any recent posts on refurb 158 or 159s with SWR.

All 444/450 have SWR interiors.

 

[Arch9enius]

I think some of the 159s had new seating a while back, 159 007 springs to mind.

Is anyone rattling a can to keep one of the 442s for preservation?

 

[317 forever]

All the 444s and 450s have been completed inside for ages, IIRC it was a completely separate contract to the exterior work. Except for the couple of vinyled units, I don’t think the new livery painting started until nearly every interior was done. If you go back to posts #2711 etc, (about 5 Jan 2020) the very last 450/5 was being done at that time.


158/159 interior contract hasn’t started, to the best of my knowledge, I think from earlier discussions, (a good few pages back in this thread), it was never due to start until some time in 2020, for completion last December. I expect it was put back indefinitely because of the pandemic.

All 444/450 have SWR interiors.

Thank you both for letting me know. I did a reupholstered 450 in 2019 and have booked 444 rides for August.

 

[Mollman]

All the 444s and 450s have been completed inside for ages, IIRC it was a completely separate contract to the exterior work. Except for the couple of vinyled units, I don’t think the new livery painting started until nearly every interior was done. If you go back to posts #2711 etc, (about 5 Jan 2020) the very last 450/5 was being done at that time.


158/159 interior contract hasn’t started, to the best of my knowledge, I think from earlier discussions, (a good few pages back in this thread), it was never due to start until some time in 2020, for completion last December. I expect it was put back indefinitely because of the pandemic.

158/159 contract out to tender
https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2021/W22/751960200

Description​

First MTR South Western Trains Limited are seeking expressions of interest for the modification and refresh of its Class 158 and Class 159 fleet. This fleet consists of the following vehicles:
Fleet Type Number of Units - Vehicles
158 10 x Cl158/8 - 20
159 22 x Cl159/0 - 66
159 8 x Cl159/1 - 24

The refresh programme will start in early 2022, with a completion date of no later than 31st March 2023. This project shall be carried out as a turnkey solution, with the scope of work including; engineering design, project management, parts supply, installation, logistics and approvals. The modification and refresh of these Units will be carried out off-site at the Supplier's location. The Supplier must have a stringent in-house quality control system and a thorough competence management system.

 

[444045]

Pleased to report that U.450029 is off its repaint today and is currently operating on the Lymington Branch flyer.

Believe U.450067 is for its repaint next arriving at Bournemouth Depot tonight.

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Pleased to report that U.450016 is off its repaint today and is currently on :

2B36 1005 BMH : WIN
2B27 1149 WIN : BMH
2B52 1405 BMH : WIN
2B43 1549 WIN : SOU
2B06 1724 SOU : ESL
5B07 17+41 ESL : NT

Believe U.450017 has taken its place in the paint shed at Bournemouth Depot.

 

[Dan15812]

Pleased to report that U.450029 is off its repaint today and is currently operating on the Lymington Branch flyer.

Believe U.450067 is for its repaint next arriving at Bournemouth Depot tonight.

Pleased to report that U.450016 is off its repaint today and is currently on :

2B36 1005 BMH : WIN
2B27 1149 WIN : BMH
2B52 1405 BMH : WIN
2B43 1549 WIN : SOU
2B06 1724 SOU : ESL
5B07 17+41 ESL : NT

Believe U.450017 has taken its place in the paint shed at Bournemouth Depot.

Thanks for the heads up!

SWR Desiro Repaints:

444s

002, 003, 005, 006, 007, 011, 012, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 027, 029, 030, 031, 032, 037, 038, 042 and 043 (27 units)(60% complete)

450s

005, 006, 009, 013, 015, 016, 017*, 018, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 026, 027, 029, 033, 036, 038, 039, 041, 043, 048, 056, 067*, 081, 101, 107, 113, 119 and 127 (29 units)(23% complete)

Feel free to let me know of any more repainted Desiros.


Note: (* = Currently being done)

444040 and 450111 have had vinyl wrap (not been painted)

 

[WarrenTManager]

158/159 contract out to tender
https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2021/W22/751960200

As I said in post 3107, tender deadline was 02/07