Thameslink Class 319's into storage

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  1. Geeves

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    It just wouldn't be worth the training or the problems with getting them back to somewhere that can maintain them for the 3 or 4 trips per day. To get a 319 back to Allerton would be mean going via London or Scotland.
     
  2. Jonny

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    However a 769 would not have such difficulties (crossing the Pennines under its own diesel engines).
     
  3. Class455

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    319002 is also at Loughborough. Wonder why though as this one was not earmarked to be converted, unless its going to GWR
     
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    GWR's are going to be 319/4s apparently.

    Other Northern 319s at Loughborough are 319424/431/450.
     
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    This one was earmarked for LN(W)R I believe, perhaps it's getting a refurb?
     
  6. Ken H

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    didnt they have a small fleet (was it 3?) of 312's for Leeds-Doncaster. think WYPTE paid for em.
     
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    Yes, but they're able to get back to their depot (Neville Hill) without having to travel a long distance.
     
  8. MatthewRead

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    312's never worked in that area they worked on the Great Eastern Main Line, The London Tilbury and Southend line and the Great Northern outer suburban from Kings Cross they last ran on 30th June 2004.
     
  9. Intercity Exec

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    I believe it was a fleet of 5 307s that ran following electrification of the Doncaster to Leeds line until the 3 321/9s were ready for traffic. I think it was some time in 1993 that the 321/9s were introduced.
     
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    319012, 319448 and 319458 are at Wolverton.
    319443 is at Brush.
     
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    Yes, I have a picture of a Class 307 at Ilford following repaint into WYPTE red and (?cream) livery in around 1990/1 from memory
     
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    There was also a small fleet of 312s that worked around Birmingham, probably from the mid 70s until the early 90s, this may be a source of confusion. Effectively a top up to the much larger 310 fleet, but I don't think they were often used on services from Euston.
     
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    Yes as the 321/9's weren't introduced until July 1991 Class 307's were brought in as a stop gap measure and stayed there until 1993 as the 321's had technical faults.
     
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    Could be one of the TFW examples perhaps
     
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    According to the latest Railway magazine the so far confirmed sets for 769 conversion are:
    Northern: 424/431/434/442/448/450/456/458
    TFW: 002/003/006/007/008
    GWR: 422/423/425/427/428/430/432/435/436/437/438/439/440/443/445/447/449/452/459.


    001 will be the Hydrogen Flex and 454 an innovation train

    Using those numbers that leaves 52 units as standard 319s most of these at Northern or LNW these being 7 /0s (004/005/009/010/011/012/013), 7 /2s (214-220) 26 /3s (361-386) and 12 /4s (421/426/429/433/441/444/446/451/453/455/457/460)

    I thought that 769000 at long marston is really 319426 in northern colours so it's surprising to see no mention of that one in the northern list.
     
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    Which ones were the 3xpress units as I'm sure some had a bad area
     
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    319214-220 were used on the express between London Victoria and Brighton.
     
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    Thanks for sharing this.

    TfW have ordered another four units recently, so presumably these will be further 319/0s.
     
  20. Class455

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    Thanks a lot for that, have updated the list to show this information. Would have thought it's just 319/4's being converted to 769.

    Hopefully the remaining 319/2's will end up at Southern to help increase capacity on Metro services
     
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    An update for your list, 319426 (which is no longer being converted according to the list shared by sd0733) is still listed as due for Northern.
     
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    Other updates for your list @Class455 :

    Wolverton: 319012, 319448, 319458.
    Brush: 319443.
     
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    From what I can make out, most of the units that aren't going from store to a new TOC as a 769 aren't PRM modded.
    001, 004, 009-011, 372, 373, 451, and 453-455 never received the modifications to operate beyond 2020.
    002 and 008 seem to have been temporarily allocated (perhaps erroneously) to LNWR, possibly to "run in" before heading to Wales.
    I can't for the life of me remember if 372 is due to be a long-term member of Northern's fleet, though I know 373 is only being used for short term cover. No idea why 421's being kept back.
    Surely you mean 319458?
     
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    I do indeed, post corrected.
     
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    AIUI, there are 4 319/2s (all PRM-compliant) currently stored - 319214 seems to be on the return road at the moment, being at Crewe LNWR, and 217-219 are still unspoken for at Long Marston.
    They would be a damn sight quicker to return to service than the 4 unreserved 319/0s (004, 009, 010, 011), as they would need new sounders and toilets installed, but then again, TfW might want to stick to a single subclass and use /0s throughout.
     

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