Train launch in news year plus I'm sure thoses of us internal to Thameslink have seen the good news as well.
As Westcoaster says more to come out next year but it's good news that many on here may join in on.
They get delivered before the 387s?
Train launch in news year plus I'm sure thoses of us internal to Thameslink have seen the good news as well.
As Westcoaster says more to come out next year but it's good news that many on here may join in on.
They get delivered before the 387s?
They actually started construction on the pre-series before the contract was completely signed off.
The ATO section is significantly smaller than that, it only includes the four core stations and London Bridge. The boundaries are east of London Bridge, north of Elephant, and immediately north of St Pancras on both branches, and there's no ATO on the ECML.
...and yes, the driver will definitely stay on board - as he'll still have control of the doors, and will start the train after each call.
It's not complete. Just photographable.
There's no pre-series; that's unit 1.
Shell yes, they built and fitted the electronics and traction components temporarily to other classes for testing first though, suppose you cant really say pre-series, testbeds perhaps better word?
They get delivered before the 387s?
Yes, they're not being built in Derby...
Also, since 387s aren't really a new train theres near to sod all testing to do, doesn't mean either will work out of the box though.
The same could be said of most BT Stock when it's delivered...
Post Delivery Mods are part of the course on BT trains...
From this recent video by Siemens, it looks like the first Desiro City Shell isn't too far off completion.
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Almost right; the ATO will be engaged / disengaged at Finsbury Park or just south thereof.
The ATO section is significantly smaller than that, it only includes the four core stations and London Bridge. The boundaries are east of London Bridge, north of Elephant, and immediately north of St Pancras on both branches, and there's no ATO on the ECML.
...and yes, the driver will definitely stay on board - as he'll still have control of the doors, and will start the train after each call.
This is the beginning of the end as far as train drivers are concerned...
This is the beginning of the end as far as train drivers are concerned...
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Anyone know when the new SWT Desiro City units are scheduled for delivery?
The OJEU has only just gone out; give em half a chance!
Indeed doesn't the actual wording in the SWT OJEU notice (it was subsequently posted in a thread here somewhere) also allow for the use of cascaded stock, never mind that they can't actually explicitly ask for Desiros.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a few years back now another tender was issued for SWT 'new stock', which everyone expected to be either 450s or 450 trailers, and that panned out as the 458/460 merger, and the 456 transfer...
, trains not fitted with ETCS and ATO will still be permitted into the TL Core, as the signals remain. As an example plenty of non ETCS trains will transit the ETCS / ATO area from Blackfriars to Elephant.
3.3.7
For the Thameslink Programme, the coloured light signals throughout the Core Area and in the London Bridge design will remain in-situ and operational for use in the event of a failure or perturbation. Retention of lineside signalling will also allow access for stock not fitted with on-board ETCS equipment. Rules will need to be put in place to determine driver-signaller behaviour as a result of a failure to either sub-system.
3.3.8
The Thameslink Programme will also provide support for Automatic Train Operation (ATO) of the new Class 700 rolling stock within the ETCS area. The Thameslink Automatic Train Supervision System (ATSS) will pass information to the train to set dwell time and trip time to allow the ATO system to control the train with minimal intervention by the train driver.
3.3.9
It should be noted that the ETCS signalling system will only be available to ETCS-fitted trains and should have no impact on non-fitted stock, which can continue to operate using the conventional lineside signalling. ATO will also only be possible with ATO-fitted Class 700 rolling stock. Transition borders for ETCS and ATO will have no impact upon existing TPWS and AWS train protection systems.
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse...ormal cppn/ncg52013tlp001 hci formal cppn.pdf
Are you sure about that ???
The WHOLE reason Wimbledon Loop trains - currently part of TL but always removed from TL Program core to run to Blackfriars bays - were restored to TLP in 2013 was EXACTLY because they won't allow non ATO trains even into the bays never mind the junctions area south of BFR.
I'm sure I have read somewhere - NR perhaps in a media release - that suggested there will be no trains north of Loughborough Junction that are not ATO and not heading for the core , only exceptions are any residual trains for BFR bays but those will be all TL franchise and all by 700s.
AFAIR the ATO rule only even includes those current ECS trains from Victoria to Cannon Street via Blackfriars siding, they too must take another route, be ATO fitted, or not run at all.
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Does this stuff below make any sense to those who understand all the jargon? It's part of a Network Change notice (only published in mid October) for the Thameslink 'High Capacity Infrastructure' - (HCI) which I expect is another set of initials that will become more frequently mentioned...
This is the beginning of the end as far as train drivers are concerned...
Well ATO is hardly anything new, Boris's Victoria line has been doing it since the 1960s.Yep and wouldn't Boris just like that!
Are you sure about that ???
The WHOLE reason Wimbledon Loop trains - currently part of TL but always removed from TL Program core to run to Blackfriars bays - were restored to TLP in 2013 was EXACTLY because they won't allow non ATO trains even into the bays never mind the junctions area south of BFR.
I'm sure I have read somewhere - NR perhaps in a media release - that suggested there will be no trains north of Loughborough Junction that are not ATO and not heading for the core , only exceptions are any residual trains for BFR bays but those will be all TL franchise and all by 700s.
AFAIR the ATO rule only even includes those current ECS trains from Victoria to Cannon Street via Blackfriars siding, they too must take another route, be ATO fitted, or not run at all.
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AFAIR the ATO rule only even includes those current ECS trains from Victoria to Cannon Street via Blackfriars siding, they too must take another route, be ATO fitted, or not run at all.
Is the track that allows access to Cannon Street from the West going to be retained after reconstruction around Borough Market?