Thameslink/ Class 700 Progress

[spark001uk]

Looks like another 700 failure - traction equipment failure on 2W47, Bedford to Three Bridges - now running ECS.

Good job I went yesterday then, and that was mainly because of today's Southern cancellations (including the 442 workings.)

I too noticed an increase in 700/0 and 377 workings on BML TL yesterday.

 

[infobleep]

As the main exit is at the front at East Croydon, then, yes, most people alighting there try to get to the front - often oblivious to the presence of first class as well; as long they are at the front to save single-figure seconds, then nothing else matters!

Except lots of people were in the middle and back in the first train. I think quiet a few were going to Brighton.

 

[infobleep]

There's a handful in the morning and one or two in the evening that have first class advertised. However, IIRC there are no first class fares available for stations on the Wimbledon loop, so it would be a particularly grippy RPI who enforced it.

I have stood at West Sutton station within the last year where the PA has announced that first class is declassified on this train as no first class operates from this station.

If first class does operate from that station then they are clearly playing misleading announcements.

 

[Domh245]

I have stood at West Sutton station within the last year where the PA has announced that first class is declassified on this train as no first class operates from this station.

If first class does operate from that station then they are clearly playing misleading announcements.

I think it's a similar case to the Southern WLL services where First Class suddenly pops into existence at some point along the route.

 

[infobleep]

I think it's a similar case to the Southern WLL services where First Class suddenly pops into existence at some point along the route.

Well they don't say that I the station announcement.

 

[Bald Rick]

I have stood at West Sutton station within the last year where the PA has announced that first class is declassified on this train as no first class operates from this station.

If first class does operate from that station then they are clearly playing misleading announcements.

I think there are only 5 trains a day with advertised first class though, so unless you were catching one of those, the announcement will always be right.

 

[Deepgreen]

The 1638 Blackfriars to Three Bridges today was shown on the PIS on leaving Blackfriars as being next stop Gatwick Airport. The 700 **** do seem to be significantly unreliable. Passengers were again advised to ignore the displayed information.

 

[Deepgreen]

Except lots of people were in the middle and back in the first train. I think quiet a few were going to Brighton.

So, they weren't going to East Croydon, then.

 

[AM9]

hope they are putting tables into the ones currently being built now.....oh...of course not.

I doubt that there is more than one production build standard except for safety issues and important performance shortfalls. They might plan it into the mid-life update.

 

[jon0844]

hope they are putting tables into the ones currently being built now.....oh...of course not.

And the new logo.... Oh.

 

[Deepgreen]

Interesting that my post, which contained the word 'PIS s' (Passenger Information Systems - space left in here to avoid censorship!) had the word converted to asterisks. However, on another post on another thread, "shat" was let through.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Are there any new diagrams since the ones Class 377/5 posted at the beginning of the month. Also:

TB407
5Z11 10+05 Sevenoaks CHS to Kentish Town
5Z12 11+38 Kentish Town to Sevenoaks CHS

What are these please - are they for driver training?

 

[JonathanH]

Are there any new diagrams since the ones Class 377/5 posted at the beginning of the month. Also:

TB407
5Z11 10+05 Sevenoaks CHS to Kentish Town
5Z12 11+38 Kentish Town to Sevenoaks CHS

What are these please - are they for driver training?

Yes, there was an increase of two diagrams from Monday this week. 'Class 377/5' appeared to advised at the weekend that he wouldn't be posting here any more. You will need to look at one of the other places where they are available such as the ukmodernemu and se-gen Yahoo groups.

Driver training seems like a good reason why you would run six empty train movements between Sevenoaks and Kentish Town off peak between the peaks.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Yes, there was an increase of two diagrams from Monday this week. 'Class 377/5' appeared to advised at the weekend that he wouldn't be posting here any more. You will need to look at one of the other places where they are available such as the ukmodernemu and se-gen Yahoo groups.

Driver training seems like a good reason why you would run six empty train movements between Sevenoaks and Kentish Town off peak between the peaks.

Thank you. Yes I guessed these 5Z diagrams were there for good reason but wasn't sure if all drivers were route-familiarised yet or not

 

[JonathanH]

Thank you. Yes I guessed these 5Z diagrams were there for good reason but wasn't sure if all drivers were route-familiarised yet or not

More likely to be traction training?

 

[spark001uk]

Anyone know what this rather long piece of equipment does? First glance it looked like a glorified exhaust pipe, but obviously it isn't that! Something to do with heating/aircon/brakes?

 

[westcoaster]

Anyone know what this rather long piece of equipment does? First glance it looked like a glorified exhaust pipe, but obviously it isn't that! Something to do with heating/aircon/brakes?

Transformer oil cooling pipe.

 

[westcoaster]

Are there any new diagrams since the ones Class 377/5 posted at the beginning of the month. Also:

TB407
5Z11 10+05 Sevenoaks CHS to Kentish Town
5Z12 11+38 Kentish Town to Sevenoaks CHS

What are these please - are they for driver training?

Driver training runs, for southeastern drivers learning 700's

 

[Mordac]

Driver training runs, for southeastern drivers learning 700's

Why do Southeastern drivers need to learn 700s? I thought all 700 services were to be operated by Thameslink. Are the drivers transferring?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Why do Southeastern drivers need to learn 700s? I thought all 700 services were to be operated by Thameslink. Are the drivers transferring?

Because Southeastern drivers work some, or most of the TL Sevenoaks services and these have started to go over to 700 operation now

 

[Triumph]

Because Southeastern drivers work some, or most of the TL Sevenoaks services and these have started to go over to 700 operation now

They are not Southeastern drivers anymore they are Thameslink drivers based at Orpington depot who need to be trained on them as at present they don't have any work on them. Any 700's booked to/from Sevenoaks and Orpington at present are worked by Bedford & Blackfriars drivers.

 

[ComUtoR]

They are not Southeastern drivers anymore

Pardon ?

they are Thameslink drivers based at Orpington depot

There are no Thameslink Drivers based at Orpington. Unless you are referring to the new Thameslink depot that hasn't opened yet and the Trainees about to go through the rules course ? They have rules to do and then traction. Its still unclear to what they will be driving but they will be under SE before going back to Thameslink. Probably in about a years time.

who need to be trained on them as at present they don't have any work on them.

No booked 700 diagrams for SE Drivers currently but they will be driving them and potentially within the next couple of weeks. As the number of 700's increase and the number of 319's disappear; SE Drivers will need to sign them because they currently work Sevenoaks services and will continue to do so for the immediate future. Not sure when the first STP diagram will appear but they have been told March. Long term is still under discussion.

 

[westcoaster]

They are not Southeastern drivers anymore they are Thameslink drivers based at Orpington depot who need to be trained on them as at present they don't have any work on them. Any 700's booked to/from Sevenoaks and Orpington at present are worked by Bedford & Blackfriars drivers.

Not true they are still se drivers, no TL staff based in Kent yet.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Yes, there was an increase of two diagrams from Monday this week. 'Class 377/5' appeared to advised at the weekend that he wouldn't be posting here any more. You will need to look at one of the other places where they are available such as the ukmodernemu and se-gen Yahoo groups.

Driver training seems like a good reason why you would run six empty train movements between Sevenoaks and Kentish Town off peak between the peaks.

I do hope "Class 377/5" returns to posting. I was more interested in the information provided than the exact way it was presented. Or perhaps some of the other people on here who say that they know what they are talking about could take the trouble to post the facts please. A new set of diagrams/workings would be very useful indeed.

 

[spark001uk]

I do hope "Class 377/5" returns to posting. I was more interested in the information provided than the exact way it was presented. Or perhaps some of the other people on here who say that they know what they are talking about could take the trouble to post the facts please. A new set of diagrams/workings would be very useful indeed.

The 700 diagrams were helpful postings yes, I for one made use of them to plan a few trips, but as said he does post them elsewhere. It's just a shame he spoke to a number of members on here like sheet, he could've said sorry and moved on but appears to have jumped ship instead unfortunately.

EDIT:

Latest FLU Workings (TB5xx) HERE. (thread ended, continues in below thread)

Latest RLU Workings (TB4xx) HERE. (new thread, will also include future FLU I imagine)

 

[387star]

The stripes at coach ends...is this a dft trademark? As they appear on GWR trains despite First saying their livery was their decision however it does not appear to be spreading

For instance greater anglia have a no frills white livery as do c2c but no diagonal stripes

Also is it me or is the pa and door sounders a bit loud sometimes gives me a headache but depends perhaps where one sits on the train

 

[samuelmorris]

Also is it me or is the pa and door sounders a bit loud sometimes gives me a headache but depends perhaps where one sits on the train

Can't say I've noticed the PIS being too loud but the door sounders definitely are and that goes for most of the government-spec ones, including those being retrofitted to the likes of 319s, 321s and 465s. The original Desiro UK stock had perfectly reasonable sounders, loud enough without being obnoxious.

 

[Skimble19]

The stripes at coach ends...is this a dft trademark? As they appear on GWR trains despite First saying their livery was their decision however it does not appear to be spreading

For instance greater anglia have a no frills white livery as do c2c but no diagonal stripes

Also is it me or is the pa and door sounders a bit loud sometimes gives me a headache but depends perhaps where one sits on the train

Not entirely sure, but that livery was actually introduced under FCC.. indeed some of the first refurbished 365s in the same livery as the 700s had FCC logos on them (obviously now swapped for GN ones).

 

[Greenback]

I've deleted a few recent off topic posts. Please stay on topic from this point on. Thanks.

 

[westcoaster]

The stripes at coach ends...is this a dft trademark? As they appear on GWR trains despite First saying their livery was their decision however it does not appear to be spreading

For instance greater anglia have a no frills white livery as do c2c but no diagonal stripes

Also is it me or is the pa and door sounders a bit loud sometimes gives me a headache but depends perhaps where one sits on the train

Think this is the DfT house livery, on the livery front I think there is two options

1. a dft livery
2. A T&C'S own livery at there own cost.