As will all Great Northern trains once the 313s are finally gone*So the wifi and seat back table lottery continues
All southern trains now have wifi
*Excluding the two extra 365s that are still here on a short term lease.
As will all Great Northern trains once the 313s are finally gone*So the wifi and seat back table lottery continues
All southern trains now have wifi
Not their fault the DfT specified a white livery
They were constantly being put to shame in their filthy state when by passing gleaming 379s in the Cambridge area.It seems the DfT now requires a base livery. TOCs can change it, but I assume that at the end of the franchise they not only have to remove their TOC logo but also anything else they've put on.
I have noticed that many 387s have been given deep cleans and are now white again. They make the dirty ones look about 20 years older!
The seats are in very poor condition on the 700's.
Is some of the reason for current dirt levels the lack of a washer at Cambridge for the time being?It seems the DfT now requires a base livery. TOCs can change it, but I assume that at the end of the franchise they not only have to remove their TOC logo but also anything else they've put on.
I have noticed that many 387s have been given deep cleans and are now white again. They make the dirty ones look about 20 years older!
Which units? Not yet seen any in what I'd regard as poor condition. A little wear on the bays where people have put their feet (and I think it wouldn't be outrageous to say that almost 50% of people on a bay will put their feet on the other seat if unoccupied) but that's all.
I travelled past Cricklewood depot this morning, can anyone tell me why each set appears to have a small illuminated searchlight on the roof?
FWIW I thought the seats on the stock were very comfortable!
can anyone tell me why each set appears to have a small illuminated searchlight on the roof?
I traveled on one from Bickley to Bromley South and the seats were already dirty and dusty but that is probably due to the material used as it's the same in the 377's and on the 387's.Which units? Not yet seen any in what I'd regard as poor condition. A little wear on the bays where people have put their feet (and I think it wouldn't be outrageous to say that almost 50% of people on a bay will put their feet on the other seat if unoccupied) but that's all.
Sounds like you have been on one where, someone has hit the seat to cause the dust to come out.I traveled on one from Bickley to Bromley South and the seats were already dirty and dusty but that is probably due to the material used as it's the same in the 377's and on the 387's.
I agree. Very hit and miss.A very strange and annoying situation that it remains hit and miss whether you will get wifi or a seat back table depending on the number at the front
I suggest you visit this site and give some ideas then:I agrees. Very hit and miss.
Just goes to show if it isn't in the specification at initial delivery, then it will never get done.
We heard claims of retrofit but I imagine that was nothing more than GTR spin.
I'm still waiting to find out where GTR are going to spend the £15m fine on passenger improvements. Probably end up as a bonus for the management rather than something of value to passengers.
Bit of both, pop it down as an idea - you never know, might get sorted if you give specific stations as shouldn't cost much and is an "easy win".They could also expand the wifi at stations that already have it to improve the coverage as there are some areas on stations which struggle to get it with black holes but not sure if that comes under GTR or O2?
As I suggested at the time, the tables thing was a sop to the continuous bleating about having nowhere to put coffee cups. A local politician eventually claimed credit for getting the additions started, the programme was started and the bleating stopped. So the problem for GTR went away.I agree. Very hit and miss.
Just goes to show if it isn't in the specification at initial delivery, then it will never get done.
We heard claims of retrofit but I imagine that was nothing more than GTR spin.
I'm still waiting to find out where GTR are going to spend the £15m fine on passenger improvements. Probably end up as a bonus for the management rather than something of value to passengers.
Bit of both, pop it down as an idea - you never know, might get sorted if you give specific stations as shouldn't cost much and is an "easy win".
Slightly more on topic, I wonder how many people will use this to suggest seat back tables and WiFi are fitted to the remaining 700s that never got it.
I take it you're not a fan of the idea then? To start upgrading a fleet, whatever the job entails, in response to a demand from somewhere, then to stop halfway because they're not looking is rather disingenuous to me. It's not like I need the tables but I do feel they're appropriate on the routes 700/1s operate (I'm not a coffee drinker but I find they make working from a laptop much easier) and I'm content to not have them fitted on the 700/0s for the much lower likelihood of people traveling a long distance on the routes they serve, but don't just do a few units and then quietly hope it's forgotten about, that's just purile.As I suggested at the time, the tables thing was a sop to the continuous bleating about having nowhere to put coffee cups. A local politician eventually claimed credit for getting the additions started, the programme was started and the bleating stopped. So the problem for GTR went away.
I thnk that there are much more important issues than table, seats lining up with windows, power outlets etc., (however I do regard wi-fi more relevant to modern rail travel especially as TOCs seem to be increasingly using the internet as the primary channnel for informing passengers of things that affect their journeys). The most important issue with very busy commuters lines e.g. Thameslink is to ensure that there is sufficient space for passengers to actually board and reach their destination safely, which give the continuing rise in demand on Thameslink, the class 700s have for the present at least seem to have provided the necessary capacity. They are after all, good at moving incredible numbers of people with the minimum of fuss. There, (hopefully) will continue to fulfil that role over the next 30 years or so when passenger demand is expected to rise even further.I take it you're not a fan of the idea then? To start upgrading a fleet, whatever the job entails, in response to a demand from somewhere, then to stop halfway because they're not looking is rather disingenuous to me. It's not like I need the tables but I do feel they're appropriate on the routes 700/1s operate (I'm not a coffee drinker but I find they make working from a laptop much easier) and I'm content to not have them fitted on the 700/0s for the much lower likelihood of people traveling a long distance on the routes they serve, but don't just do a few units and then quietly hope it's forgotten about, that's just purile.
I take it you're not a fan of the idea then? To start upgrading a fleet, whatever the job entails, in response to a demand from somewhere, then to stop halfway because they're not looking is rather disingenuous to me. It's not like I need the tables but I do feel they're appropriate on the routes 700/1s operate (I'm not a coffee drinker but I find they make working from a laptop much easier) and I'm content to not have them fitted on the 700/0s for the much lower likelihood of people traveling a long distance on the routes they serve, but don't just do a few units and then quietly hope it's forgotten about, that's just purile.
With the current trend for standing desks in offices it might be their preferred option.I have seen someone standing at the luggage rack using that as a table for their laptop !