The 2019 General Election - Campaign Debate and Discussion

[DarloRich]

very naive - he is supposed to be a politician.

But Corbyn isnt a politician. He is an agitator and campaigner. That is both the point and the problem.

 

[edwin_m]

As I see it a Johnson government with a workable majority (and minus most of the more moderate Tories) will put the Brexit deal through at the first opportunity thereby impoverishing the country both economically and socially for the sake of a right wing ego trip and I'm certainly not voting for that. Their other policies don't look too bad to me, but they are opposite to the Tory policies of the past decade (and may not even reverse the damage) With the record of untruthfulness by Johnson and his associates it's hard to believe they will actually be implemented, and with his track record I don't believe Boris is a fit person to run a government.

Equally some of Corbyn's policies are quite attractive, especially the commitment to a Brexit referendum though their vacillating on this issue will have cost them a lot of support. And I can't agree with some of their other likely policies. Again it's difficult to know what would actually be implemented - although the leaders are a lot more sincere than Boris the party is split on many issues. The business at their conference suggests to me that 80s-style radicalism and infighting remains a problem.

A LibDem government is a vanishingly small possibility but I believe it couldn't really be any worse than the alternatives,and it's unlikely they would go into coalition unlike what happened last time. With the likelihood of unprecedented tactical voting I think the most likely outcome is another hung parliament where neither main party can implement anything unless enough of the smaller parties agree with it. This potentially moderates some of the less palatable policies of either of the major parties, but risks someone allowing Scotland another referendum as a payback for short-term SNP support, at a time when opinion is understandably swinging towards independence. In this scenario Brexit would be no more soluble than it is now, unless the Tories agree to a referendum.

 

[433N]

... and, as we speak, Rasputin Cummings is finding new ways to pervert the GE with a new Cambridge Analytica wannabee.

 

[Busaholic]

Much though I loathe the Brexit Party, I hope they take enough votes in some Tory seats to let another candidate win, but I suspect it'll be mainly Labour seats in the Midlands and North that'll change hands in some cases where their intervention will cause an upset.

 

[HOOVER29]

Just hope we don’t go back to the old days with labour

It’s time for change

spend spend spend

recession recession recession

 

[DarloRich]

Just hope we don’t go back to the old days with labour

It’s time for change

spend spend spend

recession recession recession

really? Is this stuff transmitted directly to your brain? Please do try harder.

EDIT - and while that may well be the case with Corbyn i can recall some pretty shocking recessions under our glorious Tory leaders.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

This whole cowardice thing makes a mockery of the Fixed Term Parliament Act. If the opposition will always go along with the election for fear of being called chicken, it effectively renders the law redundant.

I have to agree. Although at the time I thought the fixed term parliament act was a good idea, now I am not so sure.

 

[Darandio]

Although they appear utterly irrelevant, Dickbrain has now resigned as UKIP leader.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

And Nero fiddled while Rome burned - if you believe in the climate emergency, extinction rebellion. Oakervee, Willaims all put back. No decision on railway electrification etc.

 

[Mag_seven]

Just hope we don’t go back to the old days with labour

It’s time for change

spend spend spend

recession recession recession

The Tories are quite prepared to trash the economy in pursuit of Brexit so I would get out of that glasshouse first before you start throwing stones.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

The Tories are quite prepared to trash the economy in pursuit of Brexit so I would get out of that glasshouse first before you start throwing stones.

True - only Margaret Thatcher practiced what she preached as she truly believed the problem with socialism is, you eventually run out of other peoples money.

 

[HOOVER29]

1/ Sort Brexit
2/ Sort HS2 ie scrap it
3/ Sort NHS through monies from HS2
4/ Sort Policing through monies from HS2.
Admittedly the 2nd one I don’t think will happen which casts a cloud on both 3 & 4.
Not everyone wants HS2 however so there is hope.
I’ll vote for it to be scrapped as long as I’ve air in my lungs.

If Labour win then taxes will go up to pay for the NHS & policing & people will be encouraged to spend what they can’t afford & it’ll be a slippery slope to recession.

And we’re back to square one.

 

[Darandio]

1/ Sort Brexit
2/ Sort HS2 ie scrap it
3/ Sort NHS through monies from HS2
4/ Sort Policing through monies from HS2.
Admittedly the 2nd one I don’t think will happen which casts a cloud on both 3 & 4.
Not everyone wants HS2 however so there is hope.
I’ll vote for it to be scrapped as long as I’ve air in my lungs.

If Labour win then taxes will go up to pay for the NHS & policing & people will be encouraged to spend what they can’t afford & it’ll be a slippery slope to recession.

And we’re back to square one.

Let's keep everything as it is then, it's going great.

 

[HOOVER29]

The Tories are quite prepared to trash the economy in pursuit of Brexit so I would get out of that glasshouse first before you start throwing stones.

throwing stones every now and then is good.
At the end of the day I’ve always voted Conservative & always will.

Shame Mags isn’t still around with her handbag.

 

[deltic]

Just hope we don’t go back to the old days with labour

It’s time for change

spend spend spend

recession recession recession

the last recession was down to US banks - not sure Labour spending policies had much to do with it

 

[deltic]

1/ Sort Brexit
2/ Sort HS2 ie scrap it
3/ Sort NHS through monies from HS2
4/ Sort Policing through monies from HS2.
Admittedly the 2nd one I don’t think will happen which casts a cloud on both 3 & 4.
Not everyone wants HS2 however so there is hope.
I’ll vote for it to be scrapped as long as I’ve air in my lungs.

If Labour win then taxes will go up to pay for the NHS & policing & people will be encouraged to spend what they can’t afford & it’ll be a slippery slope to recession.

And we’re back to square one.

Taxes will have to rise if the Tories go on their promised spend, spend, spend - we are still running a large budget deficit

 

[Mag_seven]

At the end of the day I’ve always voted Conservative & always will.

I used to vote Tory when they were the party of economic responsibility and of law and order. However they seem to have sacrificed both those principles on the alters of Brexit and Austerity respectively.

Shame Mags isn’t still around with her handbag.

I think she would weep to see what her party has now become - a hard right bunch of loonies with a Brexit fetish led by a charlatan and a liar. Despite her bust ups witn the EU, Maggie was largely pro EU.

 

[DarloRich]

throwing stones every now and then is good.
At the end of the day I’ve always voted Conservative & always will.

Shame Mags isn’t still around with her handbag.

Christ on a bike. You cant educate some people.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

throwing stones every now and then is good.
At the end of the day I’ve always voted Conservative & always will.

Shame Mags isn’t still around with her handbag.

Agree on all points. I sometimes call it the hand grenade technique. I will throw a hand grenade now and again into an argument at work/family. But I do not stand back. I am more than happy to take hits from some flying shrapnel. I honestly believe Corbyn would be bad for the country - very bad.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Christ on a bike. You cant educate some people.

yep that is a blade that cuts both ways my friend.

 

[433N]

Shame Mags isn’t still around with her handbag.

I believe some russians say the same about Stalin (without the handbag, obvs).

 

[Journeyman]

I have to agree. Although at the time I thought the fixed term parliament act was a good idea, now I am not so sure.

It's turned out to be one of the stupidest pieces of legislation ever, and it's been circumvented twice in ten years.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

I believe some russians say the same about Stalin (without the handbag, obvs).

Correct and of course in Mongolia there are statues of the biggest butcher and rapist in history - Gengis Khan. Interesting world we live in. People vote in ways we often don't expect. Many still revere Margaret - even as others still hate her. I personally think hate is a strong emotion. I really don't want Corbyn to win a GE - but I don't hate him - I will do my utmost to respect him. I try to be a good human being.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

It's turned out to be one of the stupidest pieces of legislation ever, and it's been circumvented twice in ten years.

Again I would have to agree (with hindsight - as I freely admit, thought it was a good idea at the time - was wrong and hold my hand up to that)

 

[DarloRich]

True - only Margaret Thatcher practiced what she preached as she truly believed the problem with socialism is, you eventually run out of other peoples money.

I know full well the victims of your wonderful Margaret Thatcher have a different view. They think the woman was evil. I wonder why her fans are so keen to gloss over the impact of what that horrible woman did.

 

[radamfi]

At the end of the day I’ve always voted Conservative & always will.

How can you guarantee that there won't be a more suitable party to vote for in the future? Admittedly it is unlikely given the two party system created by the voting system.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

I know full well the victims of your wonderful Margaret Thatcher have a different view

And long may it be so - if we all had the same views the world would be a boring place.

 

[Gooner18]

What if the losing party voters disagree with the result , do we have another election?

 

[mmh]

I imagine one issue with the Dec 12 election is that some students who are registered at their Universities may have returned home and so may have trouble voting. I suspect that the Tories were very well aware of this when they suggested Dec 12 as an election date.

This has often been cited as a reason not to have an election by those who just don't want one - i.e. MPs worried they'll lose. It's complete nonsense. If these students care so much, why are they not registered at both addresses? And if they're not, what's the barrier to them registering where they'll be on December the 12th? There isn't one.

 

[mmh]

I've actually voted in every general election since 1992. But it was still pointless. I'm considering not voting for the first time. FPTP is totally unacceptable!

Ah. You're a Liberal or Monster Raving Looney voter then!