Howardh
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Don't think I can attach a poll to an already running thread; so let's see what members think
What other options would you select?No, that's not what I said. The poll options reflect the Remain bias of the poster.
The Remaniac bias in those poll options is strong!
We cant remain in the EU - the European Union (withdrawal) Act 2018 does not allow it. So they would have to repeal that before 29th March next year AND get the other 27 members to agree.
To be fair, it's a small sample, and we already knew that the general feeling on here is towards remain - as indeed it was before the referendum. Likewise myself and others did a straw-poll in a train crew depot a week or two before the referendum, I forget the exact result now but it was something like 90% leave. That combined with some time in the north-east in the lead-up to the referendum where pretty much *every* house had a "vote leave" sign in the window is the first intimation I had that leave might win!
In the aforementioned train crew depot I've not detected a softening towards leave in the time since - in fact I'd suggest it would probably be nearer to 100% leave based on recent conversations!
But that is the choice that the PM says is before Parliament, 'It's this deal, no deal, or no Brexit'.Well for a start the poll isn't answering a question. "Should we accept the deal, have no deal or remain" - those are answers, not a question.
except the only 3 options available as a way forward... 1. Accept the deal , 2. Reject the deal and rely on WTO terms or 3. Reject the deal and ask the EU if we can come and join the game again....there ARE no other options at this moment in time...Well for a start the poll isn't answering a question. "Should we accept the deal, have no deal or remain" - those are answers, not a question. Those three choices aren't valid options to any question available. The proposed "deal" (god I hate that word!) will either be accepted or rejected. What happens then is a different set of options which follow.
If you're going to have a general "what in an hypothetical world would you prefer to see" question then there would be additional options, which would include things like re-negotiation and Article 50 extension.
The way people band around the idea of remaining like it wouldn't be a problem really have no respect for democracy at all. Be very careful what you wish for. I hate to think of the forces that would be unleashed in UK politics if such a thing was to happen. The democratic link between people and state would be well and truly shattered.The EU generally is not in favour of us leaving, so I would expect a decision to remain would be respected. The law would indeed need to be repealed, but that isn't exactly hard.
But that is the choice that the PM says is before Parliament, 'It's this deal, no deal, or no Brexit'.
except the only 3 options available as a way forward... 1. Accept the deal , 2. Reject the deal and rely on WTO terms or 3. Reject the deal and ask the EU if we can come and join the game again....there ARE no other options at this moment in time...
except the only 3 options available as a way forward... 1. Accept the deal , 2. Reject the deal and rely on WTO terms or 3. Reject the deal and ask the EU if we can come and join the game again....there ARE no other options at this moment in time...
The way people band around the idea of remaining like it wouldn't be a problem really have no respect for democracy at all. Be very careful what you wish for. I hate to think of the forces that would be unleashed in UK politics if such a thing was to happen. The democratic link between people and state would be well and truly shattered.
The way people band around the idea of remaining like it wouldn't be a problem really have no respect for democracy at all. Be very careful what you wish for. I hate to think of the forces that would be unleashed in UK politics if such a thing was to happen. The democratic link between people and state would be well and truly shattered.
I think there could actually be some sort of civil disruption...
Exactly. Only today there's a thread about a UKIP controversy. If you didn't like UKIP last time around, wait til next time because they would be one of the only beneficiaries if Parliament were to reverse the referendum result.
The way people band around the idea of remaining like it wouldn't be a problem really have no respect for democracy at all. Be very careful what you wish for. I hate to think of the forces that would be unleashed in UK politics if such a thing was to happen. The democratic link between people and state would be well and truly shattered.
With a caveat, I'd be quite happy with no deal. I get a little sick of all this talk about deals. As far as I'm concerned I voted to leave the EU, which is what no deal delivers.
The current situation has been muddied because May & co have completely neglected to make arrangements for that outcome. Which makes it harder to vote now, as clearly no deal would lead to some undesirable consequences.
Having said that, I'd still run with it, even if it leads to short-term disruption.
You missed out on the following:Britain first
For Britain
Democrats and Veterans Party
Just bringing them to attention - no endorsement given
That would say everything about those who conducted it.
Have you forgotten the blockades over fuel prices during Blairs government?
People thought that about AfD in Germany. But they have done well enough to cause the Chancellor to resign. Look up the Bavaria and Hesse state election results this year.Tiny groups of nobodies, i'd rather handle them than the destruction of the economy personally.
How exactly would reconsidering our position based on new evidence,
offering a new democratic vote
and potentially that vote leading to a majority deciding actually they'd rather stay in the EU, be anything like having "no respect for democracy at all?
I'll remind the leavers again that even your all mighty Nigel Farage wanted a second referendum if the result was a 52 v 48 slim majority.
You really have no idea do you?
Well get your molotov cocktails ready then Ken
The logic follows then that we have referenda every two to three years on the European issue. Or do we stop having them as soon as the correct answer of Remain is given? How you can entertain this and pretend you have some kind of democratic virtue at the same time is bizarre.How exactly would reconsidering our position based on new evidence, offering a new democratic vote, and potentially that vote leading to a majority deciding actually they'd rather stay in the EU, be anything like having "no respect for democracy at all? I'll remind the leavers again that even your all mighty Nigel Farage wanted a second referendum if the result was a 52 v 48 slim majority.
You missed out on the following:
Monster raving looney party
Lord buckethead
Mr fishfinger