'The Tube' (TV program)

[yorkie]

Well there was a short mention of fraud tickets being found recently on the network with fake tickets and TFL are looking into ways to combat this..

Are they really? When a member of gateline staff caught a customer using a ticket that was obviously forged, the relevant manager told him off for confiscating it.
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I got Prosecuted £950 for not having a ticket on a train from Sheffield To Meadowhall, a one off offence, no "pattern" but EMT were very fast to Prosecute me..

I am again going to suggest that isn't discussed in other topics but is instead discussed in the dedicated topic for it. You have been offered help but it is my understanding that you did not take up the offer of asistance. If you wish to discuss further, PM or post in the relevant topic.

I think the Penalty fare should be a lot higher than £40, it should be at leaste £100 to make people think twice before they try and not buy a ticket..

That is interesting that you should say that, if someone is "trying not to buy a ticket", then surely a Penalty Fare is not appropriate?

A Penalty Fare is a charge made when someone makes a mistake (or where it would be difficult to prove otherwise), for example if your ticket was lost/stolen or if you thought a station was in a different Zone and your ticket did not cover it, are examples of situations where a PF would be appropriate/applicable.

Another could be no supporting documentation (e.g. if you lost your Railcard) however I am unsure about this, as I am pretty sure it's an option on the Penalty Fare forms, however someone looked it up in The Manual and says that a PF no longer applies to that; does anyone know if the rule has changed? Whether or not London Underground staff would ask to see a Railcard on a Railcard discounted ticket, I have no idea...

 

[londonbridge]

One thing I thought of watching last night's show,when we were watching the footage of people entering the station without touching in,they could have a valid travelcard and just not be bothering to touch in as there is no penalty for failing to touch in/out within your zone(s).

 

[Cletus]

Programme 3 next week's description:-

"Going behind the scenes of the world's oldest, largest and busiest underground train network as it undergoes the biggest overhaul in its history.
For Tube drivers, their worst fear is somebody jumping or falling in front of their train. We follow what happens when this fear becomes a distressing reality for two drivers.
Also, we meet the crews of the Tube's specialised emergency response units as they are scrambled to deal with any eventuality on the Underground, from accidents and injuries to mysterious obstructions on the line. Plus how the Tube - and its dedicated British Transport Police officers - copes with the demands of the Notting Hill Carnival"

 

[Daniel]

For those worrying about the touch/in out on oyster for free being shown, it's been fixed. You won't get a zero fare anymore. You'll actually now be charged the maximum fare.

Slightly offtopic, but is there some legal way to watch this old series about which I'm hearing (on a free-to-air channel on purchasable on DVD?)

You can get them on DVD - (I know as I have them)! TfL staff still get a discount on series 3.

Are they really? When a member of gateline staff caught a customer using a ticket that was obviously forged, the relevant manager told him off for confiscating it.

*nod*

Whether or not London Underground staff would ask to see a Railcard on a Railcard discounted ticket, I have no idea...

I do. LU tickets don't show a difference between the railcards themselves but it a railcard discounted ticket is marked as 'concession'.

 

[Ivo]

"Going behind the scenes of the world's oldest, largest and busiest underground train network as it undergoes the biggest overhaul in its history."

They might want to reconsider that tag line. Oldest, yes - but the other two aren't true...

 

[SS4]

They might want to reconsider that tag line. Oldest, yes - but the other two aren't true...

Don't forget to change underground to semi-underground

 

[trentside]

You can get them on DVD - (I know as I have them)! TfL staff still get a discount on series 3.

Yes, they're still available here.

 

[Barn]

Sorry for the really basic question, but how could the driver of the diesel locamotive (that was pushing the S-stock) see where he/she was going?

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Sorry for the really basic question, but how could the driver of the diesel locamotive (that was pushing the S-stock) see where he/she was going?

He can't. That's why propelling can only be done in specific circumstances and the driver is reliant on communication from other staff.


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[Yew]

Yeah, there would be people giving him instructions, a bit like the people you see at airports directing the planes during taxiing, or a banksman for a reversing lorry

 

[matt]

Sorry for the really basic question, but how could the driver of the diesel locamotive (that was pushing the S-stock) see where he/she was going?

Plus the description of it being pushed from Derby wasn't overly accurate as there are class 20(s) on each end except for the depot shunt.

 

[Barn]

Plus the description of it being pushed from Derby wasn't overly accurate as there are class 20(s) on each end except for the depot shunt.

Thanks guys. It did seem unrealistic, but the voiceover was accompanied by an image of what looked like an S-stock just going down the mainline with a diesel locomotive behind it. I suspect it was actually at one of the two extremes of the journey as you suggest.

 

[matt]

This is what it looks like in transit

http://railways.mjspencer.com/gallery/v/December2011/IMG_2687.jpg.html

 

[Simon11]

Just to further Daniels post on touching in/out in quick succession,

If you touch in and out within 2 minutes they are charged the maximum fare.

Between 2 and 30 minutes they are charged the minimum fare as it assumes for example that you have gone to the platform and found out there is no service running.

After 30minutes they are counted as two separate journeys so unless they tapped out at another station they will get two uncompleted journeys resulting in two maximum fares.


Some of the recordings of the series 2 seem to be from last summer. It ashame they couldn't have mentioned that by touching in/out quickly, it is not free anymore!

To answer yorkies post, one of the way TFL are trying to combat fake tickets is to introduce back photocards for 7 day travel cards.

 

[Barn]

This is what it looks like in transit

http://railways.mjspencer.com/gallery/v/December2011/IMG_2687.jpg.html

Is the wagon thing just behind the loco used to convert the couplings?

 

[matt]

Is the wagon thing just behind the logo used to convert the couplings?

I think so plus to act as brake force.

 

[Muzer]

Just to further Daniels post on touching in/out in quick succession,

If you touch in and out within 2 minutes they are charged the maximum fare.

Between 2 and 30 minutes they are charged the minimum fare as it assumes for example that you have gone to the platform and found out there is no service running.

After 30minutes they are counted as two separate journeys so unless they tapped out at another station they will get two uncompleted journeys resulting in two maximum fares.


Some of the recordings of the series 2 seem to be from last summer. It ashame they couldn't have mentioned that by touching in/out quickly, it is not free anymore!

To answer yorkies post, one of the way TFL are trying to combat fake tickets is to introduce back photocards for 7 day travel cards.

More fun it being a nasty surprise for those getting ideas

 

[Tracky]

More fun it being a nasty surprise for those getting ideas

Indeed... Well, they arent going to write in and complain...

 

[transmanche]

Some of the recordings of the series 2 seem to be from last summer. It ashame they couldn't have mentioned that by touching in/out quickly, it is not free anymore!

Maybe that's deliberate, so any copycats get an expensive surprise...

 

[Crossover]

Is the wagon thing just behind the loco used to convert the couplings?

Yeah, I believe they are called barrier vehicles (see here) - many multiple units are dragged in similar ways (see the pictures of the new Pendos arriving and you'll see them there too).

As matt says, they are probably also for brake force, though whether the front end is through wired to the back, I'm not sure. In this case, it is possible that the barriers have the necessary wiring to allow through connection of the braking system. An alternative is that they may run a cable through the multiple unit to the back barriers to provide the through connection (often goes in through a cab window or the front gangway door if there is one - I'm sure I have seen a photo somewhere)

 

[lewisf]

Changing the subject slightly, but why was the guy at Leicester Sq quoted a fare of £8.60 to Waterloo?

 

[anthony263]

Changing the subject slightly, but why was the guy at Leicester Sq quoted a fare of £8.60 to Waterloo?

I am not sure if he was paying for himself and 1 other person whom we couldnt see beside him

 

[Wyvern]

To answer yorkies post, one of the way TFL are trying to combat fake tickets is to introduce back photocards for 7 day travel cards.

One way to get rid of the "I forgot my photocard" should in the near future be by making the ITSO card a photocard which can simply be topped up like the Oyster card is.

 

[dfurn]

Thanks guys. It did seem unrealistic, but the voiceover was accompanied by an image of what looked like an S-stock just going down the mainline with a diesel locomotive behind it. I suspect it was actually at one of the two extremes of the journey as you suggest.

Just curious where is the junction between National Rail and the Underground that these train deliveries use?

 

[Daniel]

Just curious where is the junction between National Rail and the Underground that these train deliveries use?

Amersham (Mantles Wood Boundry)

 

[dfurn]

Amersham (Mantles Wood Boundry)

Interesting; thank-you.

 

[dvboy]

I am not sure if he was paying for himself and 1 other person whom we couldnt see beside him

Leicester Square to Waterloo [London Underground]
Single fare:
Cash
£4.30At any time.
Oyster
£2.00At any time.

 

[jon0844]

The cash fare is probably too high and leaves a bad impression with a lot of visitors, especially if people aren't told that there is a cheaper option (perhaps given a leaflet on Oyster and why you could get one for one trip then save it for another visit as the credit doesn't expire).

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[transmanche]

The cash fare is probably too high and leaves a bad impression with a lot of visitors, especially if people aren't told that there is a cheaper option (perhaps given a leaflet on Oyster and why you could get one for one trip then save it for another visit as the credit doesn't expire

Of course we all know why TfL cash fares are deliberately set high. But I think that's a very good idea you have about handing out a leaflet.

It would also be nice if when it wasn't too busy, that ticket office staff could offer tourists an Oyster card instead.

 

[Yew]

Of course we all know why TfL cash fares are deliberately set high. But I think that's a very good idea you have about handing out a leaflet.

It would also be nice if when it wasn't too busy, that ticket office staff could offer tourists an Oyster card instead.

Could they make a paper based one?