TOCs no longer using any ex-BR stock

[317 forever]

It will be interesting to follow TOCs that lose ex-BR stock and use just more modern rolling stock built in the post-privatisation era.

As far as I can tell, the only such TOCs at this stage are:-
c2c
Virgin Trains West Coast
TransPennine Express

Also, if we sub-divide GTR into its natural components, then Gatwick Express, Thameslink and soon Great Northern will qualify but not Southern for a while.

Looking ahead a bit, it will be fascinating to see a list in chronological order of who lost BR heritage stock in what order!

 

[Hadders]

Great Northern are retaining a number of British Rail built 365s for services in the peak.

 

[ainsworth74]

As far as I can tell, the only such TOCs at this stage are:-
c2c
Virgin Trains West Coast
TransPennine Express

London Overground were on a wholly post BR fleet but when they were expanded to take over the local services out of Liverpool Street they rather dramatically regressed. They will again, however, in the near future be a whole post BR fleet once their new stock is delivered in the coming months.

Crossrail will be wholly post BR once the 345s are fully in service.

 

[Halish Railway]

Cheats I know, but Hull Trains and Grand Central are on the list of Companies on the Network that don't use ex-BR stock.

 

[DanNCL]

If we're including open access operators in this then Hull Trains and Grand Central can be added to the list. Both now only operate 180s.

 

[317 forever]

Thank you for your responses so far. Although not franchises, I welcome your mentions of Grand Central and Hull Trains as they do fit the bill.

I wonder who will be the final one? Possibly Great Western, Northern or Wales & Borders with ex-BR class 158s (and 165/66s with Great Western), or intriguingly ScotRail with ex-BR 125s?

 

[xotGD]

It will be interesting to follow TOCs that lose ex-BR stock and use just more modern rolling stock built in the post-privatisation era.

As far as I can tell, the only such TOCs at this stage are:-
c2c
Virgin Trains West Coast
TransPennine Express

Also, if we sub-divide GTR into its natural components, then Gatwick Express, Thameslink and soon Great Northern will qualify but not Southern for a while.

Looking ahead a bit, it will be fascinating to see a list in chronological order of who lost BR heritage stock in what order!

Cancel TPE from the list - they use Mark 3s.

 

[317 forever]

Cancel TPE from the list - they use Mark 3s.

Which workings are these?

 

[DanNCL]

Cancel TPE from the list - they use Mark 3s.

Not yet they don't.

 

[ac6000cw]

I wonder who will be the final one? Possibly Great Western, Northern or Wales & Borders with ex-BR class 158s (and 165/66s with Great Western), or intriguingly ScotRail with ex-BR 125s?

...or Chiltern (165s and Mk3 LHCS).

 

[DanNCL]

I wonder who will be the final one? Possibly Great Western, Northern or Wales & Borders with ex-BR class 158s (and 165/66s with Great Western), or intriguingly ScotRail with ex-BR 125s?

Could possibly be XC with their HSTs.

 

[superalbs]

It'll probably be someone who currently runs BR stock built in the 90s.

 

[xotGD]

Introduced bef

Not yet they don't.

Introduced before the end of 2017 in accordance with their franchise requirements. OK, we are waiting a while for the next passenger services, but they are using them on ecs runs.

 

[Domh245]

Northern will be using their ex-BR sprinters and 319s until at least 2025 which is when the new franchise is due to be awarded, so I would think that they'll be the last one using ex-BR stock if the current trend of fleet replacement continues for all of the other franchises awarded before then.

 

[AlexNL]

In a few years time you can add Greater Anglia to the list as they're replacing everything they've got.

 

[Taunton]

It will be whoever is running the Isle of Wight.

 

[ainsworth74]

It will be whoever is running the Isle of Wight.

Surely SWR are the last TOC using pre-BR stock so cannot count for the last TOC running BR era stock?

 

[Malcolmffc]

It will be whoever is running the Isle of Wight.

Not if they carry on 1938 stock - that predates BR!!

 

[Mag_seven]

Does Heathrow Express count? (although in the strictest wording of the thread, they never did operate any BR stock in the first place)

I wonder who will be the final one? Possibly Great Western, Northern or Wales & Borders with ex-BR class 158s (and 165/66s with Great Western), or intriguingly ScotRail with ex-BR 125s?

Caledonian Sleeper if you regard locos as "stock" as Class 73's and Class 92's will be hauling new Mark 5 coaches for many years to come.

 

[43096]

In a few years time you can add Greater Anglia to the list as they're replacing everything they've got.

Same applies for Merseyrail Electrics as well.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

332s never operated under British Rail I don’t think. That means Heathrow Express is added.

 

[47802]

You've got Merseyrail, Anglia, West Midlands although they will have 3 LU era Trains, and East Coast if they don't decide to retain any legacy 91/HST's to come in the next few years, the rest that aren't already BR era free are likely to have BR era stuff for some time.

TPE are only having MK3's for a very short period so its hardly worth mentioning.

 

[Bertie the bus]

Is it possible that the last ex-BR stock in operation isn’t operated by a TOC at all but London Underground on the Waterloo & City?

 

[Bornin1980s]

Not if they carry on 1938 stock - that predates BR!!

They were converted for IoW use under BR.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

You've got Merseyrail, Anglia, West Midlands although they will have 3 LU era Trains, and East Coast if they don't decide to retain any legacy 91/HST's to come in the next few years, the rest that aren't already BR era free are likely to have BR era stuff for some time.

TPE are only having MK3's for a very short period so its hardly worth mentioning.

Though VTEC/ICEC is currently the only TOC with entirely BR era stock (67s on thunderbird duties notwithstanding), as the 80x aren't in service yet. Apart from the Cally Sleeper franchise (for now) that is.

C2C are another with no BR era stock, don't think they were mentioned above but may have missed it. They were the first to completely replace all legacy stock. EDIT: They were mentioned pretty early on. Oops!

 

[edwin_m]

London Overground were on a wholly post BR fleet but when they were expanded to take over the local services out of Liverpool Street they rather dramatically regressed. They will again, however, in the near future be a whole post BR fleet once their new stock is delivered in the coming months.

Haven't they decided to keep a 315 for the Romford-Upminster shuttle?

Though VTEC/ICEC is currently the only TOC with entirely BR era stock (67s on thunderbird duties notwithstanding), as the 80x aren't in service yet. Apart from the Cally Sleeper franchise (for now) that is.

Merseyrail also has entirely ex-BR stock until their new fleet arrives.

 

[Domh245]

Northern also have entirely ex-BR stock until their new fleets arrive.

Apart from the four 185s that are subleased in and the 333s!

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Haven't they decided to keep a 315 for the Romford-Upminster shuttle?


Merseyrail and Northern also have entirely ex-BR stock until their new fleets arrive.

I always forget Merseyrail, even though I used to use them 5 days a week!
Northern have the 333s though, as mentioned by domh245 above.

 

[Rail Blues]

Who knows if the fleet replacement with new will continue at its current pace. I suspect it is a product of historically low interest rates and may well be curtailed when rates rise further and the consequences of Brexit start to take hold.

 

[8J]

I have a funny feeling that the last operator of BR stock will be SWR. I don't see the 158/159s being replaced anytime soon and if the 442s are successful, they will be staying way into the new franchise.