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Discussion in 'Traction & Rolling Stock' started by sprinterguy, 11 Mar 2017.
Andy, just to mention an earlier point. TPE are stabling some of their stuff at Edge Hill .Currently two train s come off at the minute and this is to continue. There's not much room though. Only got a pit road which last saw regular use during the MK3 era which isn't currently used. Shed rd2 could be used once CAF vacate Edge Hill. No idea which of TPE's new fleet will be coming to Edge Hill.
This was said in an earlier post regarding Mk5a stock.
I presume but don't know that TPE Class 397s and maybe Class 802s will be stabling at Edge Hill, they gotta go somewhere!
I find it bizarre that TPE's PR was such a disaster on the matter. If you have a franchise agreement you do what you can to stick to it, not let the media dictate it.
Unless of course, there was more to it than "the PC brigade".
Some would say company policy wasn't thought through properly, and that was compounded by poor communication from the company. Regardless of all of this, TransPennine Express are some way short of what they bid, and this looks likey to get worse before it gets better.
You seem to have a different view to @BMIFlyer
Will the extra recovery time at Manchester Airport be possible without any extra units in service by December?
Probably not without dropping a unit off of a double set diagram. The 08:53 from the Airport to Cleethorpes is a prime candidate as it's just after the morning peak and is rarely packed.
In short, there was indeed more to it, and not just within TPE.
Dec '17 per franchise agreement... possibly a document primarily of historic interest, some may feel! (Mark 3s by May '17, by the way [though in fairness initially possibly for crew training, perhaps until Dec '17 - the FA is vague].)
In my view, suppressed demand on the Diggle route is such that 5-car sets, be they Mk5 or 802, will quite simply not be enough - to say nothing (not least as it's off-topic!) of the 397s on the Notlob corridor...
It's not just the PR for the new trains though, it's about contracts and penalties.
TPE have their franchise commitments, and CAF will have agreed a delivery/acceptance schedule.
They both have to meet these schedules to avoid financial penalties, not to mention the adverse impact on TPE revenues and onward cascade of stock if they cannot deliver the capacity promised to DfT.
We know some (not all) of the franchise requirements, but have no idea of the TPE/CAF contractual terms.
The owning ROSCO will also be in the contractual loop, and also Network Rail for acceptance on the network.
Northern got their order in with CAF about 5 months before TPE closed their deal.
That might also be a factor in progress.
See the last line of your post #72 from the Mk3s thread:
A key date is 15 November, this is when TPE are expecting to accept the first rake of mk.5's and can begin training crews on them. Time will tell....
A temporary fix, though, as once the Mk5s are in on the Middlesbrough diagrams they won’t be interworking with the 802s on the Newcastle diagrams (at the Airport), so all eyes on May 2019 TT change to see how that’ll work with contingencies.
Pretty much conclusive!
Also the internal TPE poster mentions 397 introduction Winter 2018. Hmm...
Not really for this thread but....
Is there any one project at the moment whether it be traction/rolling stock or infrastructure that is actually on time?
I realise there is a heck of a lot going on all over the UK railway network at the moment but I'm sure things were never this bad. Some delays yes!
Government accepting very unreasonable time scales proposed from new TOC winners just to get that particular TOC franchised for supposedly the best returns and interfering too much in infrastructure projects.
I have no faith in anything the DfT and government come up with.
Sorry for the rant but I can see the industry that I work in just getting worse, when after all these years of investment really should be getting better and the passengers (customers) are really getting a raw deal.
Well, CAF are bringing 5 different rolling stock designs online simultaneously - Mk5, Mk5a, 397, 331 and 195 - then there's the 196 and Wales units also. Their resources are probably stretched thin.
Hardly worse than the heavily delayed introduction of the 60s and 158s, so far anyway.
Indeed - the surprise seems to be that anyone realistically thought some of this stuff could be delivered so quickly and easily- especially with so many new types. There's something structural at present (starting with DfT) about over-promising. To that end, I think the TOCs find themselves in a hard place at times.
Isn't the problem with Scarborough two fold?
1) The Man Pic - Leeds stopper causing delays and 2) Lack of rolling stock.
1 will be improved with the splitting of the Man Pic - Leeds stopper. 2 will be fixed when the Mk5's come into service as turnaround at Scarborough will go from 10 to 70 mins.
The TfN Rail North Committee Train Service Planning report, https://transportforthenorth.com/wp-content/uploads/Item-5-Train-Service-Planning.pdf, states that TPE's timetable bid for May 2019 includes continuation of extended turnrounds at Manchester Airport. That means that interworking of the Newcastle and Middlesbrough diagrams will continue until at least December 2019. So Mk5As cannot be used on the Middlesbrough route, unless they also go to Newcastle.
The TPE Hitachis are already under test. Which is early going by the previously mentioned TPE plan.
The Lime St upgrade was said to be "on time".
But that was after significant delays in starting the project (and it's not finished anyway, Edge Hill-Ditton still to come).
I'm not sure the first TPE 802 is much of a pointer.
It's a one-off, with the rest of the build well into next year.
And all 80x are suffering from a variety of acceptance problems, 12 months into service.
Hopefully with TPE 802s having one for route clearance and staff training so far ahead of the rest of the build (and with all the various acceptance issues being ironed out by other operators) should, in theory, lead to swift introduction when the bulk are built.
TPE's own website and Twitter feed have stated a number of different due dates!
70 minutes? Really? That's rather long and surprising.
Derby area remodelling - track/signals/platforms went smoothly, all the transitional stages and hand-back were on time or even early......
Well that is certainly good to hear given the size of the project. Let's hope Network Rail can keep it up.
68025 has just passed me working a Bletchley-Manchester test. Anyone know what set it was hauling?
Set TP04 was out with 68025 it ran Manchester - Warrington - Bletchley - Crewe - Wilmslow - Heald Green - Manchester meaning it's now back to the "Correct Way" around after it been returned via a more direct route on it's last test after suffering with wheel flats, which it no longer has, seemed to all be going well today, and even arrived at Wilmslow, where I snapped it, EARLY!
Transpennine Express 68025 by Mike McNiven, on Flickr
Transpennine Express 12804 by Mike McNiven, on Flickr
Good pics again there and good to have a Mk5a set out testing again.