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We live in a Crazy world. I was beginning to think that the head of First group had a dossier of all of Boris Johnson’s children’s locations to continually get what they want.
Which Northern routes are designed solely to compete with TPE? If there are any, then it was silly of the DfT to put them into the Franchise Agreement and TSR
Was that bit ^^^ actually what you meant to write?Can I clarify? I was involved (unfortunately) in franchise spec and (far more unfortunately) continue to be involved with what is laughably and somewhat loosely referred to as the "franchise management" with regard to this and Northern.
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However TPE have been seen as able to survive, but only if essentially they are allowed a fairly free reign to maximise cost and minimise revenue... OK, that is a bit of an exaggeration...
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I’ll believe that when I see it....and all Hull services will be 6 car...
The December 2019 briefing on the website says 32 trains will be introduced and all Hull services will be 6 car. I thought the full rollout of Nova 3s is further delayed?
Most, but not yet all, South Pennine trains are planned to be 6 cars from Sunday. Weather, train breakdowns, signalling and point failures, broken down freights, crewing issues and other TOC issues permitting, of course! Fingers crossed.
In my dreams, TPE, mindful this is the pantomime season, will I see this coming Sunday offering an opportunity for making one of their usual "10 minutes before departure" announcements at Manchester Airport to state " We regret to announce that the 0751 service from Manchester Airport to Cleethorpes has been cancelled, but will commence its journey from Grimsby Town".....
...and all Hull services will be 6 car.
https://tpexpress.co.uk/travel-updates/december-2019-timetable-changesMonday to Friday peak time services will be operated by 6 car trains instead of the current 3.
Certainly not all from Dec 15th. Given the cancelled LIV-EDB services, they wouldn’t need them all and nothing Nova shaped will be running to MBR until next year.Ok yep but all the Nova 1s and 3s in is great news!
What about Manchester airport to Newcastle ? Is that staying 185 for time being ? I understood would be 68 + Mark 5 ?Certainly not all from Dec 15th. Given the cancelled LIV-EDB services, they wouldn’t need them all and nothing Nova shaped will be running to MBR until next year.
No-one has posted why this service is needed. No-one has suggested how it will bring new revenue to the railway. Apparently the onus is on me to prove this. Unfortunately I won’t be able to until Xc and LNER publish their drops in revenue. I will refrain from calling it an Orcats raid if that is what upsets you. Will reword it to say it is a service designed primarily to extract revenue from other operating companies.
i tend to book the AP from York - Scotland then but the York - Destination separately. So the reason you often can’t get an AP is because TPE don’t realise then on existing stock. (Because it is too small)
would you not rather wait 6 months and have you core route fixed first?
What is the reason for the TPE services being much slower?I can see no reason why anyone would use TPE between Edinburgh and York other than an operator specific cheap fare. The trains are the same as LNERs but the journey time is much slower. From Edinburgh the TPE service is 3 minutes after the LNER.
What about Manchester airport to Newcastle ? Is that staying 185 for time being ? I understood would be 68 + Mark 5 ?
I take the point, but I’ve been seeing a significant increase in 5 and 6 car trains running through Huddersfield in recent weeks. I know it’s 1tph gone in the off-peak, but it’s not all bad if the extra capacity is there.That is my point. They are cancelling the trains the good people of Huddersfield want to use so the can extract revenue on the Edinburgh route. To me using this limited resource where it is really needed between Huddersfield and Leeds / Manchester is a better use of it.
Will start to move over to Class 802. MkVa was never going to Newcastle because they’re limited to 100MPH, think you must be confusing it with the Airport - Middlebrough service.
I can see no reason why anyone would use TPE between Edinburgh and York other than an operator specific cheap fare. The trains are the same as LNERs but the journey time is much slower. From Edinburgh the TPE service is 3 minutes after the LNER.
What is the reason for the TPE services being much slower?
...and you’d have to assume they’re slowing and speeding up for the pan lower and raise, either side of the Chathill power restriction, but that won’t be for too long as plans exist to beef it up.Because they will be running on diesel for part of the journey? More stops?
According to this on RTT the 1133 on Monday 16 December 2019 from Edinburgh arrives at York at 1402 - a journey time of 2 hours and 29 minutes with stops at Morpeth, Newcastle, Durham and Darlington. This includes starting at Waverley on electric, changing to diesel at Longniddry then back to electric near Alnmouth.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y33784/2019-12-16/detailed
For comparison, the LNER 1130 service is due to arrive in York at 1354 - a journey time of 2 hours and 24 minutes with stops at Newcastle and Darlington.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y72760/2019-12-16/detailed
Not much in it.
I've been having a look at the planned service from Edinburgh to Liverpool.
Does anybody know why there is a 3 hour gap in the morning for a service to Liverpool? Lack of paths?
Because TPE has chosen to cancel 3 services in a row between Newcastle and Liverpool in order to concentrate on training more crew for the journey, until 5 January.
There don't appear to be 185 substitutions.
There are fewer cancellations on Saturdays.
Does anybody know why there is a 3 hour gap in the morning for a service to Liverpool? Lack of paths?
Can TPE provision be described as a reward these days?Redcar, a constituency that surprisingly went from red to blue, gets its immediate reward from TPE with trains to Manchester Airport. Can Boris claim that achievement as a first step to boost the North?
According to this on RTT the 1133 on Monday 16 December 2019 from Edinburgh arrives at York at 1402 - a journey time of 2 hours and 29 minutes with stops at Morpeth, Newcastle, Durham and Darlington. This includes starting at Waverley on electric, changing to diesel at Longniddry then back to electric near Alnmouth.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y33784/2019-12-16/detailed