TransPennine Express North Route, New Timetable

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  1. nr758123

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    Think yourself even luckier that you're not one of those poor unfortunates for whom the stopper is the only train they have; and which over the past ten days has frequently been cancelled, terminated short, or the stop at your station removed to make up time.

    Whoever thought this timetable was a good idea needs to come to Marsden to explain themselves, then to be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.
     
  2. mike57

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    Its not just Marsden, my York Seamer journey is a nightmare, score for today York > Seamer:

    3 canceled, 7 late by average an average of 15 minutes and 1 on time, 5 of the 8 connections at Seamer to Filey and Brid have been missed leaving passengers with a minimum hour and a half wait.
     
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    Yes, I've noticed that a lot of the Scarborough trains today and on previous days turned back before they got there. But you probably don't have a set of stocks on the village green.
     
  4. northernchris

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    Yes it was the 1656, I saw it on the boards at Leeds as terminating at Malton. There was also the 1806 ex Leeds cancelled too, along with a very delayed 1748 Hull being terminating at Selby. I understand the need for turning round late trains but when the following service is also late it isn't ideal
     
  5. Kieran1990

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    well just had a quick glance at departures from Leeds & Man Vic and so far it looks a little better than previous days.
    One all shacks Leeds-Picc cancelled ex07:53
    Everything else seems to be ticking along, just a couple of minute delays.
    Hoping this is a good sign as I got back to commuting Leeds- Manchester Vic from next week
     
  6. scarby

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    This appears to be a complete shambles and the service to/from Scarborough is now the worst in living memory.

    I, and I am sure others, use the trains to get to Manchester Airport. As it stood before, I allowed myself to get to the airport around 2 1/2 hours before departure, as I knew that with just an hourly service one cancellation could slash that to 1 1/2 hours.

    Now I am thinking it is going to have to be a plan to arrive 3 1/2 hours before - the airlines' check-in desks aren't even open then, which means if one does make it on time, an hour or more hanging around the check in area.

    Before there used to often be a unit parked in the bay platform at York, allowing for a "Thunderbird"-style replacement to run through to Scarborough when things went wrong to ensure trains left every hour. This seems to have vanished. When are they going to get the Mark 3 sets that have been pending for months on end?
     
  7. nr758123

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    I don't think cancelling a service at stations which only have one train an hour could ever be described as "good".
     
  8. scarby

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    Here we go again. 0935 arrival into Scarborough cancelled (train cancelled throughout). 1046 departure from Scarborough already cancelled.
     
  9. Solent&Wessex

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  10. Bovverboy

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    The return working (0946 ex Scarborough) is shown on RTT as still operative - but it hasn't left Scarborough! (It wouldn't have done).

    According to RTT, it's starting from Malton. However the incoming working (0754 ex-Liverpool) is shown, albeit late, as running through to Scarborough!

    UPDATE (1040): The 0754 ex-Liverpool is now shown as having been terminated at Malton.

    All the hype about how the number of sets on Liverpool - Scarborough was going to be reduced from seven to six. It's been a disaster.
     
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    A 3 hour gap with no departures!
     
  12. Crossover

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    Is there any scope for TPE going back to replicate Northern in some way? Run all shacks from Stalybridge to Huddersfield, then possibly Dewsbury or just straight onto Leeds and another one that does express from Stalybridge to Huddersfield and then stops between there and Leeds? It would make more sense than this silly idea of Slaithwaite to Marsden passengers having to double back via Huddersfield which is just a ludicrous situation
     
  13. YorkshireBear

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    There was extensive consultation way back on this calling pattern with the general response being we want to get to Huddersfield and Manchester more. Yes it seems ludicrous but i believe the local user groups were consulted. There is of course the possibility that the scale of the plans was not quite put across, and certainly no what the impact would be during disruption....
     
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    It seems to have all gone mammories skyward again this afternoon - the Liverpool service has been sitting in Leeds for 25 mins without a driver and it looks like several services are delayed at Huddersfield.
     
  15. scarby

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    Surely they will have to introduce some kind of revised/temporary timetable? This total PR disaster can't just go on unaddressed.
     
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    This train to the airport that I am on will no longer go to the airport and will terminate at Piccadilly like many many others recently. Shambles.
     
  17. Bantamzen

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    A number of rail replacement buses are currently parked outside Leeds (ironically causing a pile up of local buses behind them) and what looks like TPE staff directing passengers on & off them. Although I can't yet tell what services are being replaced, at least one of the coaches is from Hull so at least one of them is one of the Hull services. At the same time there is also a 185 in the bay P4 so that must have been short-stopped.

    (There was also a 9-car Azuma observing the problems before it crusied out of the West throat, but that's for another thread).
     
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    I wonder if the services could be sent via Hebden Bridge on they're way to Man Picc so that it would then form an all station stopper to Leeds via Stalybridge, with the same applying in reverse which would create a circular service. Obviously missing out Deighton, which can be served by Northern's Wakefield services instead and Ravensthorpe, which can be served overnights so that the station is stil open although just at nights.

    You could contact the DfT and if enough people did contact them then maybe TPE would introduce some sort of emergency timetable until the 8th December. Anything would be better than the current farce.
     
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    It would seem that for Mossley should there be a 6 car train stopping at the station that there will be a member of staff on board in the rear portion of the train directing passengers to use the front doors on the rear portion of the train.
    This is in addition to a member of staff at Mossley Station itself who holds open the door onto the extended part of the Leeds bound platform.
    Seems a highly labour intensive way of doing things!
    Sam
     
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    What sort of emergency timetable could be done that fits around every other service across the region? The only option I see to solve the current issues would be to add extra units into the timetable to extend the layovers at the end of the routes, but these are units that they simply don't have at the moment. You could remove the second hourly service to Newcastle which would save maybe 2 units? I'd then stick one at Liverpool end of Newcastle/Scarborough services which would then allow them to interwork, and then one at the Airport to interwork the Middlesbrough and York(Newcastle) service? This is all assuming platform space could be found for the longer layovers. This wouldn't solve all of the issues though maybe with the others running on time there would be less knock on effects to the Hull/Leeds stoppers.
     
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    My worry, as a semi-regular user between Leeds and Huddersfield, is that what was an independent service between the two places, is now interworked across the Pennines, and once it goes to hell over there, the whole thing is knackered. Huddersfield doesn't have the space or flexibility either

    Could the buses have been related to the problems on VTEC, that #i heard reported on the news?

    I don't think the Calder Valley is far off capacity - indeed when TPE have diverted that way they have only had a couple of paths an hour and that included curtailing other services that would have normally used the line. Not sure why you'd suggest Ravensthorpe should only have overnight services either - it may not be one of the most popular stations but I'm sure it is still used by commuters and the like

    Why have 1 person do a job when you can have 3, eh :P

    I find is quite incredulous, too, that talk is of extending platforms for 4 car Sprinters - extensions for 6 car 185's would surely be of significantly more use, especially now!
     
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    I think this picture sums it up at Leeds!

    The Northern train was Sheffield via Castleford and was actually fairly quiet, but it was a battle trying to actually get on it just because of the sheer number of people waiting for a Transpenine Express Service to show up!
     

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    The Hull services were cancelled from early afternoon. I think the 12:48 was the first (or one of the first) cancelled. Inbound came into 15B and waited for a driver to shunt it into a bay platform. Passengers off it were directed through to the coaches.

    The Middlesbrough services seem to have been suffering badly today. Was on the delayed 13:12 from Leeds and I think was the only one to make it to Middlesbrough as two after terminated short at Northallerton. Guard was questioning with control as Journey Check was showing a 30 minute delay from York but couldn’t figure out why as the driver was already on and the guard on the platform at York! Ended up leaving York 14L and got into MBR 7L.
     
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    TPE has been atrocious on Scarborough services over the last couple of days. On a school holiday week the line is always well under served with an hourly, 3 car service, but this week it’s been worse than ever with delays/cancellations. The 10.11 from Malton to Liverpool yesterday (Tuesday) was standing down the aisles already when it pulled in from Scarborough. People with buggies failed to get on board so had to wait an hour. The other 60 or so Malton passengers just crammed in Tokyo subway style. Today (Wednesday), it was the same on the 11.08 departure to Scarborough. Again, standing down the aisles on arrival, but all the 25 Malton passengers got on. Over the road Coastliner buses were doing a brisk trade except everyone had a seat. What a shambles this service is
     
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    Regarding the Middlesbrough problems apparently they are still ongoing according to Natonal Rail tonight and they are reporting the following:


    Congestion between Manchester Airport and Middlesbrough, and an earlier fault with the signalling system between Manchester Piccadilly and Stalybridge means fewer trains are able to run on all lines. Train services running through these stations may be delayed or cancelled.

    Manchester Piccadilly, Yarm, Thornaby and Middlesbrough will not be served.

    Disruption is expected until 21:00.

    Replacement Road Transport will also operate between York and Middlesbrough. Please see station staff for further details.
     
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    From what I can see only the 14:38, 17:38 and the 19:51 arrivals into MBR got through this afternoon. They usually terminate short at Thornaby when they are late but we’re terminating and turning back at Northallerton.
     
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    Optimist. It should be obvious by now that DfT cares **** all about inconvenience to passengers. Indeed, they are probably to blame for many of the problems. Would be much more use pestering your local MP.
     
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    I'd probably go for the Middlesbrough services. Probably fewer people travel from Middlesbrough/Thornaby > Huddersfield/Manchester than do Hull/Selby > Huddersfield/Manchester. And if you want to get to Manchester or Liverpool that badly then:

    a) it's not far to go to get to Darlington and change (unlike Hull, from which the nearest main TPE interchange station - Leeds - is a much longer journey away) if you really can't stomach a slightly slower service
    b) you probably won't mind the Slawit/Marsden/Saddleworth stops anyway.

    Plus, it does mean that the Hull services don't get too overcrowded in the interim between now and new stock arriving.
     
  29. TBirdFrank

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    Just did - he's a Hartlepool lad so he will know
     
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    Having experienced the TPE services in the North-East on the new timetable, I'm not impressed.

    The services coming from Manchester Airport are being given a turnaround time of between 5 and 10 minutes: with current delays in Manchester area, it's not enough. These services are then delaying VTEC and XC services. Many are being cancelled at York or Darlington at short notice as delays build up.

    Frankly, the TPE service was better at 1tph than it has been since they went to 2. At the moment I think it could be resolved if all or the majority of the Manchester Airport services were terminated at Darlington - which would maintain connections to Teeside/Durham Coast, and also onto VTEC/XC for further north - with more slack built in for delays: the extension to Newcastle could be made when timetable issues are sorted out.
     
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