That's the second time you've said that
I going full Trump on this; say it enough and it might happen!
That's the second time you've said that
I think there always used to be towns that were actually in one county that were placed in another simply for postal purposes. Since the reorganisation (continual) of county boundaries this would make even less sense, except that since the introduction of postcodes (in the dim and distant past) you no longer need to include a county name in the postal address.Some of the villages that are just on the Amber Valley side of the Amber Valley/Derbyshire Dales boundary, such as Crich and Holloway, have Matlock as their postal town and thus probably tend to look towards Matlock, which is in Derbyshire Dales (indeed it is the administrative centre of both Derbyshire County and Derbyshire Dales District councils), rather than towards the Amber Valley towns such as Alfreton, Belper and Ripley, and as such it might make more sense for them to come under Derbyshire Dales rather than Amber Valley.
I suppose district/borough boundaries within a larger county (for those areas that still have the traditional two-tier system and have not (yet) changed to unitary authorities) are fairly trivial compared to actual county boundaries, though, especially as there are also a lot of villages and hamlets that are on one side of a county boundary when their postal town is on the other side, so the address is Village X, Town Y, County B even though Village X is actually in County A.
Indeed. Todmorden is a good example. It is situated in Calderdale Metropolitan Borough - in the ceremonial county of West Yorkshire - but has an OL (Oldham, Greater Manchester) postcode....and - incidentally - a Rochdale (Greater Manchester) telephone dialling prefix.I think there always used to be towns that were actually in one county that were placed in another simply for postal purposes. Since the reorganisation (continual) of county boundaries this would make even less sense, except that since the introduction of postcodes (in the dim and distant past) you no longer need to include a county name in the postal address.
Tod's allus been odd.Indeed. Todmorden is a good example. It is situated in Calderdale Metropolitan Borough - in the ceremonial county of West Yorkshire - but has an OL (Oldham, Greater Manchester) postcode....and - incidentally - a Rochdale (Greater Manchester) telephone dialling prefix.
Playing hockey in Leigh for many years, I note they feel far more Bolton than Wigan!When the southern part of Lancashire was split up to create Merseyside and Greater Manchester, it separated Wigan, St Helens, Leigh, Widnes and Warrington, which have more in common with each other than with Liverpool or Manchester. Wigan and Leigh ended up in GM, St Helens in Merseyside and Warrington and Widnes were attached to Cheshire because there was nowhere else for them to go.
Similarly, I currently live near the West/North Yorkshire border where you have a chain of small towns allocated to different authorities- Skipton (Craven, now NY), Ilkley (Bradford), Otley and Wetherby (Leeds). The last three all have outlying estates which cross into North Yorkshire, which caused fun during the tiers phase of Covid when people in the same cul de sac were subject to different restrictions from their neighbours.
That also happens with Royston, which is in Hertfordshire, though Meldreth and Ashwell are both in Cambridgeshire.Newmarket in particular is a strange one as the station before it (Dullingham) and after it (Kennett/Kentford) are in Cambs while Newmarket falls into Suffolk.
The town of Ashwell is in Hertfordshire, while the Mordens (Steeple Morden and Guilden Morden) are in Cambs. The station is on the border but mostly in Cambridgeshire.That also happens with Royston, which is in Hertfordshire, though Meldreth and Ashwell are both in Cambridgeshire.
Bolton is in Greater Manchester surely? Even if the (unnecessary) postal county isn't.Playing hockey in Leigh for many years, I note they feel far more Bolton than Wigan!
And that's Bolton, Lancashire, so they feel double duped!!!!
Back when it was in the old Lancashire half the town was in Lancashire and the other half in the west riding of Yorkshire. One street divided the 2 countiesTod's allus been odd.
Some might say that it is the likes of "Greater Manchester" and "Merseyside" are unnecessary....Bolton is in Greater Manchester surely? Even if the (unnecessary) postal county isn't.
Well they are now. But the old county boundaries were nonsense and even more nonsensical for the PO to retain them when they changed.Some might say that it is the likes of "Greater Manchester" and "Merseyside" are unnecessary....
Yes it is, but we still consider ourselves in Lancashire, the Other Place is merely an administrative region and should have been called South Lancashire anyway!!Bolton is in Greater Manchester surely? Even if the (unnecessary) postal county isn't.
What about Castle Point? The good burghers of Benfleet may have something to say about your idea!In Essex Southend and Thurrock unity authorities merge with Basildon , to create Thamesway unity authority
That might have upset the good burghers of Stockport, Altrincham, Sale etc!Yes it is, but we still consider ourselves in Lancashire, the Other Place is merely an administrative region and should have been called South Lancashire anyway!!
When constituted as a metropolitan county - the forerunner of today's Mayoral combined authority - Greater Manchester was originally known as SELNEC, or South East Lancashire and North East Cheshire.Yes it is, but we still consider ourselves in Lancashire, the Other Place is merely an administrative region and should have been called South Lancashire anyway!!
Yes it was and it was on the side of the buses!When constituted as a metropolitan county - the forerunner of today's Mayoral combined authority - Greater Manchester was originally known as SELNEC, or South East Lancashire and North East Cheshire.
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I forgot about Castle Point, you could include that aswell.What about Castle Point? The good burghers of Benfleet may have something to say about your idea!
I'm a senior officer at one of those councils and while local government reorganisation isn't on the agenda at the moment we're always conscious that it might resurface at any time.
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CH crosses England and Wales, although arguably as an urban conurbation so does Chester.A more extreme example is Aberystwyth on the west coast of Wales which has SY (Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England) postcodes. When the railways carried most long distance mail that for mid Wales would have gone via Shrewsbury.
Remember that postcodes are routing tables for mail, not a geographic database.
As a county council, Merseyside only existed for 12 years and was abolished 37 years ago.Some might say that it is the likes of "Greater Manchester" and "Merseyside" are unnecessary....
A now sadly deceased contributor to the UK.railway Usenet group used to give his location as something like 'Earlestown, in the occupied territories of south west Lancashire'.As a county council, Merseyside only existed for 12 years and was abolished 37 years ago.
I'm not sure that any residents of this former administrative county would principally describe themselves as coming from there.
Pity then that your university is going to rename itself as the other place.Yes it is, but we still consider ourselves in Lancashire, the Other Place is merely an administrative region and should have been called South Lancashire anyway!!
I don't understand this parochialism. Wirral only exists (except as an unpopulated wilderness, as in Sir Gawain and the Green Knight) because of its proximity to and dependence upon Liverpool. Similarly for the rest of Merseyside as was. And Liverpool has never been culturally Lancashire unless you go far back in history. (Incidentally I think Merseyside still exists as a ceremonial county - it has a Lord Lieutenant or did until recently).CH crosses England and Wales, although arguably as an urban conurbation so does Chester.
As a county council, Merseyside only existed for 12 years and was abolished 37 years ago.
I'm not sure that any residents of this former administrative county would principally describe themselves as coming from there.
There was some rejoicing when all (North) Wirral postcodes were transferred from L to CH!