TRP Part 2, cables and dials.

[SPADTrap]

Hi guys,

Just a quick one about the TRP part 2, I've got to resit it with the new assessment process with a TOC, last time I sat this test I misunderstood the instructions and was lucky to pass but as I have to sit it again I really cannot rely on that happening again, can someone possibly explain how the zones relate to the test or how it works? Any help our guidance would be greatly appreciated for my pending assessment!

 

[Dynamonic]

Hi there, I sat this test last week and am still awaiting the results for it.

From my understanding, and it's hard to explain in words alone so I'll try my best:

The zones are the first thing you look at with each question.

Each dial is split into four different sized zones, the zones are in priority order. Left is the highest priority, and the right-most zone is the least priority.

The first thing to look at is where the needle is pointing on the four dials.

If you have a dial where the needle is in the left zone, then that is the first dial to check, then the one which is in the second zone, followed by third and finally fourth.

However, you may get a question where there are no dial needles pointing in the first zone, but two dials with a needle in the second zone. In this case, you have to prioritise the dial where the needle is pointing to the lowest numerical value, on the scale outside the dial.
(The priority is not reading the direction the needle appears to be pointing. You may have a needle pointing towards the left with a reading of 10 for example, but on another dial, a needle pointing towards the right with a reading of 5)

If you have more than one dial where the needle is in the same zone, always look for the lowest reading outside the dial.

So, prioritise the zones, then the numerical values if the needles fall in the same zone.

 

[SPADTrap]

Thanks a lot for the very informative reply! Pretty much clears up my worries! Really appreciate it.

 

[bigjoe]

Thanks a lot Dynamonic !!!! I am sure this piece of information will help a few people
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Hey Dynamonic, do you have any word regarding the yellow paper and symbol pairs matching ?

 

[Dynamonic]

Thanks a lot Dynamonic !!!! I am sure this piece of information will help a few people
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Hey Dynamonic, do you have any word regarding the yellow paper and symbol pairs matching ?

Hi bigjoe!

The TEA-Occ test was the test I personally found the most challenging.

Basically, you will get a symbol card with four pairs of Symbols on it. The symbols are basic, like crosses or squares and they are all pairs, like XX, ** or ^^. Never different symbols such as X* or ^X

You have to go through the yellow paper which is layed out like a telephone directory.

The list looks similar to this:

Joe Bloggs Computer Services XX
Tel: 123456789

John Smith Computers XO
Email: Johnsmith@email.???


You would go through the list and circle the businesses with the symbols that match your symbol card, like the 'XX'.
I don't recall encountering symbols that matched that weren't on the symbol card. If you had two of the same symbol, chances are, it was one you were looking for.

This is harder in part 3 of the test, when you have to also count audio tones at the same time.

Basically, you would circle the the businesses that match your card, and count in your head the audio tones. The narrator on the tape will say 'stop'. At this point, you write down in the answer book, the amount of tones you heard. When the beeps start again, you carry on finding symbols, and repeat the whole process again about seven times.
Each one gets slightly harder, with an increased number of tones.

This test troubled me, because I noticed I took the time circling whole businesses for the first yellow page (not just the symbols), and in the next part, just the symbols in the panic of listening to the tape.

No doubt I'll find out soon if this has had an impact on my results.

The idea of the test though is really simple, and I feel confident I'd nail it next time if I had to do it again.

 

[bigjoe]

Thanks Dynamonic !!!! I really appreciate your willingness to help. I will be doing this new assessment early next year. Good luck on your results !!!!

 

[Dynamonic]

Thanks Dynamonic !!!! I really appreciate your willingness to help. I will be doing this new assessment early next year. Good luck on your results !!!!

Thanks bigjoe, and all the best with your assessment too!

 

[DunfordBridge]

Hi bigjoe!

The TEA-Occ test was the test I personally found the most challenging.

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You have to go through the yellow paper which is layed out like
This is harder in part 3 of the test, when you have to also count audio tones at the same time.

Basically, you would circle the the businesses that match your card, and count in your head the audio tones. The narrator on the tape will say 'stop'. At this point, you write down in the answer book, the amount of tones you heard. When the beeps start again, you carry on finding symbols, and repeat the whole process again about seven times.
Each one gets slightly harder, with an increased number of tones.

Excellent input, Dynamonic. Just so I can get a picture in my head, do the tones in the final part occur at random intervals or is it a set of continuous sequences?

 

[387star]

Great read

 

[Kells21]

any images of the trp part 2?

 

[Pepperami]

Very very well explained that's exactly as I remember those tests

Spadtrap it looks worse than it is lol as Dynamonic said its all about the priority and the examples you do simplify it you'll be fine one this one mate don't sweat it
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Dunfordbridge the tones as I recall were not equally spaced apart the tones sounded some short periods of silence then others longer gaps Between the tones and the first tone is always a low one so that counts as one

 

[DunfordBridge]

Thanks Pepperami. Knew the first tone was a low tone but I did not realise that there were random gaps of silence between the tones. I had an invite to sample this test for the first time next week.

 

[Pepperami]

Not sure if it was just the test or the concentration but the gaps between tones did seem to vary a little bit you concentrating so much on the symbols as well that it might just have seemed that way

Luckily you've got a glimpse next week so let us know how it goes and whether it's an illusion and they are equally spaced lol don't fail it trying to work it out though!!!

 

[NealFitz]

I thought the TEA-Occ was a lot easier than i thought it would be. In the first test you have to ignore the high pitched tones which was tricky. but in the third part he asks "How Many" and then you start again. nearly sure the tones were spaced the same distance apart although i echo the comments from above that it may have been me just trying to concentrate.

 

[Martin Dolan]

I'm sitting the above test this coming Friday, just wanted to thank those who gave up their time to share what they knew about the process involved, it really helps!

 

[nuts & bolts]

I'm sitting the above test this coming Friday, just wanted to thank those who gave up their time to share what they knew about the process involved, it really helps!

Martin
Good luck on friday, let us know how you get on

 

[Martin Dolan]

Indeed I will, good or bad !

Been cramming in revision for the last two weeks, the practice materials aren't the best but having passed the old assessment twice before in the past I think they give almost enough of an insight into what to expect.

Its the new computer bit that eludes me, not much info on this forum (surprisingly) for the actual 2 hand co-ordination test. Then again that's no doubt because its exactly that, very straight forward and self explanatory lol

Will report back tomorrow If I make it home in one piece.

 

[plastictaffy]

I'm sitting the above test this coming Friday, just wanted to thank those who gave up their time to share what they knew about the process involved, it really helps!

When it comes the tones bit of it, they ask you to put down any writing implements and put your hands under the desk. I just tapped my leg every time I heard a tone.

 

[Martin Dolan]

Well, thankfully I passed everything today!

Order of the day was
TRP 1 & 2
Group Bourdon (Paper)
TEA-OCC
WCT (possibly the easiest test in all the assessments I've attended, they leave you the storyboard in front of you!?)
WAFV - Surprisingly difficult to stay focused on a monitor screen for 30 mins
ATAVT - Straight forward
2 hand Co-ordination test - Again straight forward, best to hold joysticks at base to improve control I found.

End of assessment

Cant believe they haven't changed the TRP section after all these years! GLOP and Dials, every time.
I got one of the example questions wrong in the cables and dials test. I literally couldn't see the correct answer and had to hold up the room for a second or two whilst I said I cant understand it. As soon as the assessor explained the question it all clicked into place.

I realise what happened is I was thrown off by the instructions that were played from a tape beforehand, I started to panic as we were about to turn the page to begin the test. It just goes to show you really should ask If you need something explained, there's no shame in it. I wonder how many people go there and are too scared to say I don't understand x or y and then go into the test only to answer most of the questions incorrectly!

Hardest part of the day was the TEA-OCC, mainly because it was new and unknown but luckily the 3 sub tests are scored overall so if you fluffed up the first part with the tones (which I felt I had) then it wasn't the end of the world.
Computer bits now easier than before it all changed in my opinion.


Next stop is a bit confusing though, I'm told to come back on March 10th for Situational Judgement Interview followed by Driver Manager Interview. The assessor then implied I would have to return at a later date to sit the Multi Model Interview. Either that or I misunderstood.

I was of the understanding (as it says in my recent practice materials sent to me from my TOC) that the only interview bits after passing all the assessment elements were the situational Judgement questions and then the multi modal interview, not an additional driver manager interview like there used to be before the assessments changed in 2013.

I don't mind doing the additional bit at all but was rather hoping to only have to go back once more. Oh well hopefully they plan on doing it all on the same day, certainly be easier and less stressful that way lol

Anybody been through it recently who did all three interviews on the same day or had to go back on a separate day for the MMI?

Cheers

Martin

 

[Bucko]

Well, thankfully I passed everything today!

Order of the day was
TRP 1 & 2
Group Bourdon (Paper)
TEA-OCC
WCT (possibly the easiest test in all the assessments I've attended, they leave you the storyboard in front of you!?)
WAFV - Surprisingly difficult to stay focused on a monitor screen for 30 mins
ATAVT - Straight forward
2 hand Co-ordination test - Again straight forward, best to hold joysticks at base to improve control I found.

End of assessment

You did all these on one day?

I passed first stage assessment today which was Group Bourdon, TRP, DFFT and finally TEA-Occ.

Ive been invited back for second stage assessment to do WAFV, ATAVT, 2 hand, SJE and MMI.

Did you do all those on one day and if so, was it first or second stage assessment ?

 

[Stigy]

You did all these on one day?

I passed first stage assessment today which was Group Bourdon, TRP, DFFT and finally TEA-Occ.

Ive been invited back for second stage assessment to do WAFV, ATAVT, 2 hand, SJE and MMI.

Did you do all those on one day and if so, was it first or second stage assessment ?

I recently sat these all on one day too. The next step is an interview apparently. It was my second attempt, although the first one was in 2011 and was the older format. I certainly didn't find this one as difficult as I thought I would. I failed the first time round on the dials, but that I think was down to them being a lot more different in the practice material than I thought they'd be (on the practice paper I found them easy!). This time round I understood them far easier.

I also found the computer side easier than expected as this would be my let down usually as I've been known to be a but cack handed!

 

[theking]

In my practise paper there are shaded zones and arrows how much different apart from the numbers on the outside is the real test?

What is the cable part?

 

[Stigy]

In my practise paper there are shaded zones and arrows how much different apart from the numbers on the outside is the real test?

What is the cable part?

It's not vastly different on the newer tests to be honest, just more in-depth. You'll find yourself looking for the priority in the numbering as well as the shading, but in later dials you'll be looking at two or sometimes three numerical values to take priority as well as the shading. Sounds worse than it actually is and I found once I had a system going I was whizzing though them. There's 42 in total and you have 7 or 8 minutes. I did 26 I think, which is where most were give or take. The idea is to work quickly, but accurately.

I think cable just relates to what you're checking, and it's the dials that form the test....bit of a red herring....

 

[theking]

Thanks for that explanation helps a lot.

 

[peter77]

Basically, you will get a symbol card with four pairs of Symbols on it. The symbols are basic, like crosses or squares and they are all pairs, like XX, ** or ^^. Never different symbols such as X* or ^X

You have to go through the yellow paper which is layed out like a telephone directory.

The list looks similar to this:

Joe Bloggs Computer Services XX
Tel: 123456789

John Smith Computers XO
Email: Johnsmith@email.???


You would go through the list and circle the businesses with the symbols that match your symbol card, like the 'XX'.
I don't recall encountering symbols that matched that weren't on the symbol card. If you had two of the same symbol, chances are, it was one you were looking for.

Hello everyone See the matching symbols that are mentioned here, do they only appear at the very end of a line so you would work from top right to bottom and could disregard everything else thats before that?

 

[putney]

Hello everyone See the matching symbols that are mentioned here, do they only appear at the very end of a line so you would work from top right to bottom and could disregard everything else thats before that?

just circle all 2 symbols thats it

 

[Driver068]

I under took an assessment in Doncaster in March last year. Does any one know if the tests have changed much.

Order of the day was:

Group Bourdon
TRP 1
TRP 2
2 Hand-Coordination
ATAVT
WAFV

SJE
MMI

Unfortunately I got as far as the WAFV. I am confident to pass the tests if I needed to resit them but my main concern is the MMI. I have looked at previous forums and can anyone confirm if the questions remain the same and are they looking for key words such as communication, team work, lone working and safety, also do the answers have to relate to the role of a driver.

these are the questions ive come across:

1. Describe a time where you've had to follow rules & procedures
2. Describe a time where you've been involved in an emergency situation
3. Describe a time you've been on a training course for over 2 weeks or your greatest achievement
4. Describe a time where you've had to work for long periods of time alone
5. Describe a time you've had to solve a difficult problem
6. Give an example of undertaken task similar to train driver's role.

 

[387star]

Emergency rules and regs difficult problem a time important not to make mistakes how job similar to driver greatest achievement (six)

 

[Driver068]

Emergency rules and regs difficult problem a time important not to make mistakes how job similar to driver greatest achievement (six)

May I ask when did you complete your MMI/Assessments

 

[387star]

May I ask when did you complete your MMI/Assessments

MMI July 2014 those were the questions I got asked

the difficulty question was a time you have undertaken a task to a high standard whilst encountering difficulty to be precise and the one I found toughest