The whole vehicle? Is it not possible to remove the bogie at Polmadie?An earlier post suggested that the affected vehicle would need to be taken by road to repaired down south. That suggests several weeks.
Polmadie is only a light maintenance depot and doesn't have the facilities.The whole vehicle? Is it not possible to remove the bogie at Polmadie?
Polmadie depot most certainly do have a bogie drop. Located on the other side of the main line from the depot. Although the mother ship is Longsight.Polmadie is only a light maintenance depot and doesn't have the facilities.
Seems a bit extreme for a hot box. Be a squeeze getting a low loader out of there too I would imagine.An earlier post suggested that the affected vehicle would need to be taken by road to repaired down south. That suggests several weeks.
By all accounts it was a bit more than just a hot box...more like a completely seized axle.Seems a bit extreme for a hot box. Be a squeeze getting a low loader out of there too I would imagine.
No doubt the RAIB will be taking an interest and all will eventually be revealed.By all accounts it was a bit more than just a hot box...more like a completely seized axle.
Really why would they be interested?No doubt the RAIB will be taking an interest and all will eventually be revealed.
Really why would they be interested?
.....but a technical failure which could have led to a catastrophic derailment if the train had continued much further at line speed, with the wheels getting hotter and hotter and eventually quite possibly disintegrating.I wouldn't have thought so as just a technical failure, for Alston and Avanti really, though sure Network Rail ain't too happy.
.....but a technical failure which could have led to a catastrophic derailment if the train had continued much further at line speed, with the wheels getting hotter and hotter and eventually quite possibly disintegrating.
It certainly was more than just a hot box and I’ve seen a photoBy all accounts it was a bit more than just a hot box...more like a completely seized axle.
They will probably take a professional interest, but I doubt they will release a report or bulletin.No doubt the RAIB will be taking an interest and all will eventually be revealed.
The unit was driven directly to the bogie drop at Polmadie. They'll fix it there.An earlier post suggested that the affected vehicle would need to be taken by road to repaired down south. That suggests several weeks.
Do RAIB routinely investigate train evacuations (genuine question)?Not sure if RAIB will investigate, nothing yet on website ...
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but would hope so as passenger safety was involved, evacuating the train to another one.
A week (or 2) earlier a 390 failed at bay horse. That train was ‘evacuated’ onto a TPE. That is not going to be investigated. Pax was transferred because of failed train, not because of any adverse effects due to the axle being hot. If it was fire it would be investigated if it put pax at risk but really everything worked in this situation. I doubt this will be investigated as the equipment to detect things like this worked and the train came to a stand. Don’t see any reason.Do RAIB routinely investigate train evacuations (genuine question)?
No, and they would have absolutely 0 reasons to if the evacuation was conducted in line with the rulebook and TOC policies.Do RAIB routinely investigate train evacuations (genuine question)?
If the RAIB haven't indicated an investigation yet, I doubt they're going to start now. Fundamentally, there's nothing for them to look at: a train developed a fault, the warning systems (trackside or train-borne) picked it up and brought the train safely to a stand in the intended place (just short of a very handy loop). Passengers were safely evacuated in line with procedure, and the train was recovered. It was a further fault on the train that delayed the recovery. If the RAIB investigated every train fault that required a stop & examine they'd never have time to look at the stuff that actually has safety value in the lessons learned.Not sure if RAIB will investigate, nothing yet on website ...
but would hope so as passenger safety was involved, evacuating the train to another one.
Agreed, the only thing that might cause them to investigate was the early report that there was a fire involved.Fundamentally, there's nothing for them to look at: a train developed a fault, the warning systems (trackside or train-borne) picked it up and brought the train safely to a stand in the intended place (just short of a very handy loop). Passengers were safely evacuated in line with procedure, and the train was recovered. It was a further fault on the train that delayed the recovery. If the RAIB investigated every train fault that required a stop & examine they'd never have time to look at the stuff that actually has safety value in the lessons learned.
I have, for nearly 40y, been astonished about the lack of any bidirectional facility on the WCML.
Are you offering to pay for it?
Welcome to the forum, hope you stick around!(Late to this topic having only recently joined RailUKforums)
I'm going to guess that every time an incident happened that bi-di would have been useful in recovery, you had a conversation that went something like:For some years part of my area as a Railtrack and then NR Controller was the WCML in Scotland, and if I had a pound for every time I moaned about the lack of bi-di signalling when an incident blocked one line, I could have retired far earlier than I did (probably before I had even started in fact!). Such a facility would have saved huge amount of delays over many years; Due to the remoteness of some locations SLW takes an age to implement, not helped by the fact that often four (4) members of staff are required on the ground.
(Late to this topic having only recently joined RailUKforums)
For some years part of my area as a Railtrack and then NR Controller was the WCML in Scotland, and if I had a pound for every time I moaned about the lack of bi-di signalling when an incident blocked one line, I could have retired far earlier than I did (probably before I had even started in fact!). Such a facility would have saved huge amount of delays over many years; Due to the remoteness of some locations SLW takes an age to implement, not helped by the fact that often four (4) members of staff are required on the ground.
Welcome to the forum, hope you stick around!
I'm going to guess that every time an incident happened that bi-di would have been useful in recovery, you had a conversation that went something like:
Boss: This is costing us a fortune.
You: You know, bi-di signalling would get the trains running and cut down the costs significantly
Boss: Yeah, but we're updating/replacing/installing [insert new idea] next month/quarter/year and we won't have another incident like this
You (to yourself): That's what you said last time...