No, they are stored, they could easily come back. Therefore they should count until scrapped.
There’s still stored Mark 1s, should we count those until scrapped too?
If it’s not in service, which the 379s aren’t, they shouldn’t count, even if they might return one day.
Unpleasant in what way? The Mark 3s are generally well-regarded as being well-designed, safe (in terms of crashworthiness), smooth-riding and comfortable.
They were well designed by 1970s standards. By modern standards they’re not definitely not up to scratch on crashworthiness anymore.
I didn’t like the tiny seats or fixed armrests, the pneumatic automatic doors slamming, the creakiness of the carriages, etc. I’m just saying the reason I like Pendolinos is not because I’m too young to know what was there before, as I do know what was there before thanks to Greater Anglia, and I wasn’t too fussed. That’s not to say I don’t like them but I certainly prefer the 390s.
Especially in the front carriage
The Mark 3s were configured quite differently on the West Coast. The closest recent comparison I can think of would be EMT HSTs but they weren’t the same either.
But you’re quite happy with the frankly appalling interior design of the Pendolinos, the rattling panels and generally rubbish Alstom build quality. Strange…
You’ve got unrealistically high expectations for build quality if you think the 390s are bad.
Unfortunately the corrosion is likely to see them off before the 150s. I would certainly agree that they're a pleasant unit though.
The 150s are suffering from corrosion just as badly. Apart from the 158s/159s, the sprinters are all struggling and will need to be binned off before they fall apart.
So good that the GW seats are collapsing, ride is getting dreadful already, the whole fleet needs both very heavy repair & more frequent wheel turning just so they don't crack apart, and anyone I know who goes east goes via 30 year old SWR if it's running. I won't miss the disasters one bit. There's at least one very recent thread about them.
I could see the 80xs being binned after only a decade. Hitachi still haven’t got the repair program properly underway, if they leave it too much longer it’ll be cheaper to replace them than repair them. Also worth noting that Hitachi’s Japanese equivalents don’t last long either, granted the Japanese deliberately design them to last a maximum of 20 years (often less), but one has to wonder if that ideology has inadvertently influenced the design of the 80xs.