Who owns 'dumped' freight stock

[route101]

There was until relatively recently a complete abandoned Class 37 sitting on an out of use loop just west of Nottingham station. It was railfreight oil and petrochemicals sector liveried and so can't have been there any longer than about 20 years. I haven't seen it for a few years though, think it just 'vanished' around 2006 time. Wonder who has it now...

There was also an Intercity mk1 carriage just north of Preston station that had sat in the middle of the tracks for quite some years until recently...

And east of Edinburgh between Craigentinny and Newcraighall there's a whole bunch of stuff including a complete OHL electrification set left over from the ECML electrification program, several intercity and BR era carriages dotted around Craignetinny and a lot of other interesting stuff.

There are also some Seacow wagons - early nineties vintage that have sat near March station for quite some time.

There is also some sleeper stock (can't remember if it is intercity or CalSlep liveried just off one of the branches to the WCML - it might be Newcastle-Carlisle or Settle - Carlisle or somewhere else - can't quite remember!

And at Doncaster (on the southern approach) there is also a very very old black BP tank wagon - it looks pre-war to me, possibly even 1920s! Rivetted pannel construction - very very antiquated.

Very interesting thread!

Interesting ! Is the Sleeper stock at Carnforth as im sure i saw that there . This thread has got me looking at Sidings and Bushes.

 

[1V53]

Interesting ! Is the Sleeper stock at Carnforth as im sure i saw that there . This thread has got me looking at Sidings and Bushes.

Always good to look at bushes

 

[Smudger105e]

Do I detect a hint of Carry On innuendo appearing in this thread?

 

[Hydro]

Do I detect a hint of Carry On innuendo appearing in this thread?

There's been a spate of it recently, General Discussion is a minefield.

 

[Soupdragon]

how about the 21 abandoned liquid nitrogen tankers that have resided for at least the past 20 years in the sidings close to Wraby Junction box?

Flashearth linky thingy

 

[Dreadnought]

There appear to be two 37s and an 08 abandoned at the southern end of Millerhill, with a few wagons as well.

The 37s (709 & 886) were moved to Kingsbury late 2010 to await their fate. The 08 has also gone but can't remember to where or if it has been scrapped.
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Not that old but a rake of brand new tanker wagons marked "Wrekin" which appear to have sat unused at Crewe for about 5 years? Always wondered what the story was behind them?

They are specialist chemical carrying tankers but cannot remember which one it is. If they are to be used they need to be converted. Believe that EWS bought them for a contract that they "lost" before the wagons were delivered.

There are 2 more of these tankers at Healey Mills and at least one at Warrington Arpley.

 

[1V53]

The 37s (709 & 886) were moved to Kingsbury late 2010 to await their fate. The 08 has also gone but can't remember to where or if it has been scrapped.
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They are specialist chemical carrying tankers but cannot remember which one it is. If they are to be used they need to be converted. Believe that EWS bought them for a contract that they "lost" before the wagons were delivered.

There are 2 more of these tankers at Healey Mills and at least one at Warrington Arpley.

Cheers. What an expensive error!

 

[David]

how about the 21 abandoned liquid nitrogen tankers that have resided for at least the past 20 years in the sidings close to Wraby Junction box?

Flashearth linky thingy

It's been more than that! I remember seeing them when I was 8 and being taken on a day trip to Cleethorpes with my family. That was 25 years ago....

As can be seen from the Flash Earth link, those tanks are fading from view fast because of all the trees and weeds growing around and through them ....

 

[56006]

There used to be a postal coach at Derby, down a siding on the south end behind loads of shrubbery... Then it disappeared, anyone know what happened to it?

 

[SouthEastern-465]

Theres some abandoned dutch liveried wagons just past Hither Green TMD. They've been there since I can remeber.

 

[Jdrowlands]

There are two abandoned Virgin Mark III vehicles in the siding at Doncaster. Anyone know about these?

 

[37372]

Not that old but a rake of brand new tanker wagons marked "Wrekin" which appear to have sat unused at Crewe for about 5 years? Always wondered what the story was behind them?

They are ex petroleum tanks which were converted for carrying brine from Northwich to Middlewich I believe. I remember seeing a couple of photos of them in use but the contract didn't last very long and they've been stored at Crewe ever since.

 

[NightatLaira]

Interesting ! Is the Sleeper stock at Carnforth as im sure i saw that there . This thread has got me looking at Sidings and Bushes.

There's some there too yes. But these are different ones - mk3 SLEPS rather than mk1 SLEPS. They might actually be on the branch from Lancaster to Hellifield come to think of it... I believe someone once told me they were the left overs of the Edinburgh/Glasgow to Plymouth/Penzance sleeper service that was stopped in the mid-90s.
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There used to be a postal coach at Derby, down a siding on the south end behind loads of shrubbery... Then it disappeared, anyone know what happened to it?

I remember that! Yes, what happened?

 

[Bonemaster]

Perhaps there should be a new section on www.wnxx.com of all rolling stock which has been abandoned for more than 10 years.

There is already one on other sites such as www.wwwagons.com or www.nwgtheforum.com

Not that old but a rake of brand new tanker wagons marked "Wrekin" which appear to have sat unused at Crewe for about 5 years? Always wondered what the story was behind them?

These were used for a temporary brine contract and were far from new closer to 40 years old, only a renumber and repaint from oil tankers. No contract was ever lost they were used on the short term contract they were converted for that then finished, and there was no further work for them

2 coaches and some tanks spent many years sat opposite Cambridge Station until the recent clean up

Along with the cement wagons that were long deserted there for around 15 years, the two coaches were more recent additions there being dumped there having previously been used on Merseyrail around 1994 from memory. Never did get to the bottom of why they ever ended up at Cambridge. The other two wagons had been there in excess of 20 years.

how about the 21 abandoned liquid nitrogen tankers that have resided for at least the past 20 years in the sidings close to Wraby Junction box?

Flashearth linky thingy

These were dumped there and were intended for export to India via Immingham that fell through late on so these were allowed to rot here ever since, I'm not sure these have been there quiet 20 years as I believe they were used on the Ditton - Ipswich BOC flow that I would guess finished in the mid 1990s.

There are also some Seacow wagons - early nineties vintage that have sat near March station for quite some time.

Not Seacows but Rudds and some Salmon that have been there as long as I can remember.

Loads of others have been sat in the place they stand for many many years, a brake van at Manea thats been sat there since somewhere in the region of 30-40 years, The wagons sat at the bottom of Stafford Yard, A Grampus at Maidstone West and a Dogfish at Peak Forest to name a few that have been in there current locations since the earth cooled and a few deep in bushes at locations such as Shettleston and Longport.

There are probably over 100 wagons that the owner doesn't even know where they even are, or possibly even that they own them.

 

[cdonnigan]

dont know if there still there never much took notice but there used to be some flatbeds in the old well over grown sidings between newcastle and heworth on the durham coast line.

 

[Eng274]

The contents of Craigentinny/Portobello Freightliner are interesting, there's one or 2 not mk3 or 4 coaches painted to GNER livery, which I guess are makeshift offices? (better than a draughty house-of-cardboard portakabin!) As well as a shunter or 2, rusty dilapidated inter-city swallow livery stuff, and lots of other goods stock that is unidentifiable at high speed.

Carnforth and Doncaster also have a Mecca of old railway delights, mix of Virgin/Intercity at the former, and a tarpaulined EMU carriage of some form at doncaster when I last passed through it.

For many a year I thought the branch line to Powderhall (that the 'bins' train uses I'm led to believe) had a permanently abandoned rake of white container wagons, since whenever I saw them they were NEVER moving! Shows what I know eh :roll:

 

[sprinterguy]

The contents of Craigentinny/Portobello Freightliner are interesting, there's one or 2 not mk3 or 4 coaches painted to GNER livery, which I guess are makeshift offices? (better than a draughty house-of-cardboard portakabin!) As well as a shunter or 2, rusty dilapidated inter-city swallow livery stuff, and lots of other goods stock that is unidentifiable at high speed.

Carnforth and Doncaster also have a Mecca of old railway delights, mix of Virgin/Intercity at the former, and a tarpaulined EMU carriage of some form at doncaster when I last passed through it.

For many a year I thought the branch line to Powderhall (that the 'bins' train uses I'm led to believe) had a permanently abandoned rake of white container wagons, since whenever I saw them they were NEVER moving! Shows what I know eh :roll:

The GNER blue mark 2s at Craigentinny are barrier vehicles used as coupling converters for hauling HST power cars and mark 3 rakes around with normal locos, and to act as brake force runners. A lot of depots dealing with carriages with buckeye couplers, or modern multiple units, have converted mark 1 or mark 2 carriages for this purpose.

Carnforth seems to house a cornacopeia of dilapidated carriages, some of which I don't imagine will ever see use again, whereas those at Doncaster will probably be more fortunate.

For several years, a regular sight in the sidings at Doncaster was ABBs' (May have been BRELs' before that) "Doncaster Test Train": A rake of increasingly scruffy grey mark 2s with blanked out windows that saw occasional runs with recently refurbed class 91s. I think the carriages have since been scrapped.
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dont know if there still there never much took notice but there used to be some flatbeds in the old well over grown sidings between newcastle and heworth on the durham coast line.

That'l have been the old Tyneside Central Freight Depot, which closed in around 1991. The flatbeds are long gone, and the whole site looks to be earmarked for non-railway related redevelopment. There's a lot more palisade fencing separating it off from the running lines and much less railway infrastructure visible these days than there once was.
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There used to be a postal coach at Derby, down a siding on the south end behind loads of shrubbery... Then it disappeared, anyone know what happened to it?

That was mark 1 GUV 93180. No idea what happened to it though, probably cut up for scrap.

 

[90019]

Near Seafield in Edinburgh, there are wagons that I think were used by the post office for transporting truck trailers. There are quite a few of them there, I think it may be all of them.
There also what looks like an abandoned car transporter loading wagon, with a ramp to a second level on it.

 

[ACE1888]

In disused sidings at Eastern Green , about 1/2 a mile from Penzance station, been there since late 1980's as far as i am aware...

 

[1V53]

These were used for a temporary brine contract and were far from new closer to 40 years old, only a renumber and repaint from oil tankers. No contract was ever lost they were used on the short term contract they were converted for that then finished, and there was no further work for them

I'm surprised if that is true, as they were mint and gleaming and appeared brand new when first parked up? They may well have been refurbed old wagons, I'm no expert so this could be true, but they definitely were not used more than once or twice as their condition was ex works then they just sat there, and were moved once in the yard subsequently as far as I remember.

It wouldn't make sense to spend this sort of money only for them to do one or two trips!

 

[bnsf734]

I'm surprised if that is true, as they were mint and gleaming and appeared brand new when first parked up? They may well have been refurbed old wagons, I'm no expert so this could be true, but they definitely were not used more than once or twice as their condition was ex works then they just sat there, and were moved once in the yard subsequently as far as I remember.

It wouldn't make sense to spend this sort of money only for them to do one or two trips!

Just had a google about this. The contract ran from 2005 to 2007 and involved filling the flooded salt mines with Fly Ash from Drax. The brine from the mines was pumped out and moved to Middlewich for processing using the tanks. When the contract finished the tanks were redundant.

On another point...

A friend who works for EWS has mentioned that there is some abandoned parcels stock in Euston Carriage Shed. As this has been disconnected from the rest of the network there is no way of removing the stock by road so it is stuck there until the shed is demolished - Probably when/if HS2 gets built!

Calv

 

[talltim]

There used to be a postal coach at Derby, down a siding on the south end behind loads of shrubbery... Then it disappeared, anyone know what happened to it?

There's a pic on Wikipedia.
I do seem to remeber seeing some pics of them trying to remove it, with, I think, a class 66. The loco either derailed or hit the platform edge on the curve. I can't, for the life of me, find them now, possibly they were on Fotopic.

On Google maps its there, it gone on Bing maps, and so has the undergrowth, but suprisingly not the track.

 

[56006]

That was mark 1 GUV 93180. No idea what happened to it though, probably cut up for scrap.

Ahhh, thanks for the information regarding it's identity, it appears it made it to the Midland Railway...

There's a pic on Wikipedia.
I do seem to remeber seeing some pics of them trying to remove it, with, I think, a class 66. The loco either derailed or hit the platform edge on the curve. I can't, for the life of me, find them now, possibly they were on Fotopic.

On Google maps its there, it gone on Bing maps, and so has the undergrowth, but suprisingly not the track.

Oh, could they not do a quick measurement to see if it was possible to get a 66 down there? The joys of an 08 I'm probably making it sound easier than what it is.

 

[route101]

There is already one on other sites such as www.wwwagons.com or www.nwgtheforum.com



These were used for a temporary brine contract and were far from new closer to 40 years old, only a renumber and repaint from oil tankers. No contract was ever lost they were used on the short term contract they were converted for that then finished, and there was no further work for them



Along with the cement wagons that were long deserted there for around 15 years, the two coaches were more recent additions there being dumped there having previously been used on Merseyrail around 1994 from memory. Never did get to the bottom of why they ever ended up at Cambridge. The other two wagons had been there in excess of 20 years.



These were dumped there and were intended for export to India via Immingham that fell through late on so these were allowed to rot here ever since, I'm not sure these have been there quiet 20 years as I believe they were used on the Ditton - Ipswich BOC flow that I would guess finished in the mid 1990s.



Not Seacows but Rudds and some Salmon that have been there as long as I can remember.

Loads of others have been sat in the place they stand for many many years, a brake van at Manea thats been sat there since somewhere in the region of 30-40 years, The wagons sat at the bottom of Stafford Yard, A Grampus at Maidstone West and a Dogfish at Peak Forest to name a few that have been in there current locations since the earth cooled and a few deep in bushes at locations such as Shettleston and Longport.

There are probably over 100 wagons that the owner doesn't even know where they even are, or possibly even that they own them.

Im sure i saw some wagons near Shettleston! What happened to the Carriage at Preston?

 

[Bonemaster]

What happened to the Carriage at Preston?

Both of them are now sat at Crewe

 

[Capybara]

And at Doncaster (on the southern approach) there is also a very very old black BP tank wagon - it looks pre-war to me, possibly even 1920s! Rivetted pannel construction - very very antiquated.

My first reaction when I opened the thread was to think of that wagon. Spoked wheels as well. I absolutely love it and always look out for it when passing through Doncaster every couple of weeks or so. It would be great to see it preserved properly somewhere.

 

[talltim]

This one?
Here on Bing

 

[DarloRich]

There is a rusting GLV or GUV van on the curve between Bletchley and Fenny Stratford, just by the water tower.

I wonder if there is a "squatters rights" equivalant for vehicles, so you can lay claim to it and if after 12 years nobody comes forward to prove that they own it, its yours!

There are actually 2 there and a HAA (I think) hopper on the other side of the line with a tree growing out of it!

Aslo the EMU reffered to above and the 3(?) MKIII are all inside Wabtecs yard so they might get some work done on them. Did the MKIII belong to Cotswold?

 

[talltim]

Oh, could they not do a quick measurement to see if it was possible to get a 66 down there? The joys of an 08 I'm probably making it sound easier than what it is.

According to the guys on WNXX the GUV was craned out and the siding/bay brought back into use. A DRS class 66 then tried to use it and the track fell apart under it. Thanks to them I have found some pics
http://www.leverton.org/blosxom/Rail/UK/Derby derailment 2008-06-05/

 

[sutty]

Between Birmingham Moor St and Small Heath station there's a car-carrying wagon that's been there for a *very* long time.