WMTrains livery and station branding

[sd0733]

350369 currently on 11:46 Euston to Crewe now In full Lnwr livery. Once 368 is out that's the 3s half way through!

 

[pt_mad]

350369 currently on 11:46 Euston to Crewe now In full Lnwr livery. Once 368 is out that's the 3s half way through!

Saw it at Crewe.

Differences from 350373, it has the new LNR logos on with the straight ended y in railway and the text is less bold, the wheelchair and bicycle door has a wheelchair and bicycle symbol on it and says 2 Bikes. No coach lettering as is case on '373. The large 'W' logo on the side of each coach looked slightly wider, stretched, although don't know if that's just my perception. Looked pretty sleek though. The glossiness of the vinyl is cool.

Don't know why no coach lettering though? Surely if someone asks which coach the toilet is in, or which coach an assist is in, you'd want something better than '3rd coach from the front rear door' on an 8 car. Especially when they've got used to having coach letters on that stock.

 

[Chris172]

Are the 350/3 getting an interior change?

 

[pt_mad]

Are the 350/3 getting an interior change?

No idea but wouldn't imagine so if they're not due a C6 overhaul which someone said the /1s were. The interiors look pretty fresh from what I've seen on the /3s but the /1s really need it. Although I suppose in theory it could be a contractual agreement that they're all done?

Hopefully the TPE and SWR style desiro interior is offered to them which I believe has leather seats in first and leather headrests in standard.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Don't know why no coach lettering though? Surely if someone asks which coach the toilet is in, or which coach an assist is in, you'd want something better than '3rd coach from the front rear door' on an 8 car. Especially when they've got used to having coach letters on that stock.

I think they cause more confusion than not, to be honest, given that most trains don't run as single units. Ideally they'd modify the PIS so it would show correct letters based on formation, or (given that there are no reservations) the SWT mod that does the "Coach 1 of 8" thing.

 

[pt_mad]

I think they cause more confusion than not, to be honest, given that most trains don't run as single units. Ideally they'd modify the PIS so it would show correct letters based on formation, or (given that there are no reservations) the SWT mod that does the "Coach 1 of 8" thing.

Good point, especially if more 8 car running is planned. Out of interest is there an exterior display on the side of every coach on a 350? I know at least one window on each side has a matrix display which is able to show a destination.

 

[DJames]

Good point, especially if more 8 car running is planned. Out of interest is there an exterior display on the side of every coach on a 350? I know at least one window on each side has a matrix display which is able to show a destination.

Nope, only on the end carriages, from what I can remember.

 

[pt_mad]

Nope, only on the end carriages, from what I can remember.

Then they probably ought to think of some way of labelling the coaches then as meeting passengers is likely to be more complicated with room for error if people are saying 5th coach along etc.

A way around it was be to use repeelable stickers and stick them on the inside of the doors on each set at the start of service or when they are coupled. Although I admit this doesn't seem likely. I believe LnER do this though?

 

[sprinterguy]

A way around it was be to use repeelable stickers and stick them on the inside of the doors on each set at the start of service or when they are coupled. Although I admit this doesn't seem likely. I believe LnER do this though?

LNER, and their predecessors on the ECML, use sheets of A4 paper that slot into plastic holders affixed to the inside of the door windows on the mark 4 sets, and inside the lower pane of the toilet windows on HST sets, to display train information - They're not adhesive.

 

[pt_mad]

LNER, and their predecessors on the ECML, use sheets of A4 paper that slot into plastic holders affixed to the inside of the door windows on the mark 4 sets to display train information - They're not adhesive.

Ahh I see. So they could potentially do this on a 4 8 or 12 car 350 set?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Ahh I see. So they could potentially do this on a 4 8 or 12 car 350 set?

There isn't much need because (a) there are no reservations, and (b) the old lettering was meaningless because letters were repeated in an 8 or 12 car set. Getting rid is probably the most sensible option, or if viable implementing the SWT numbering system - in the case of a split/join you need to know the coach number while inside, as seeing which the front 4 are is easy from outside.

If I ever wanted to meet someone on a long 350 formation I'd say something like "second from the front" or "back", those being the ones I tend to go for anyway as they are the quietest from Euston, at least from the "long" platforms.

 

[43055]

Wilnecote station has now been painted

 

[Rail Blues]

Smethwick Galton Bridge in the process of being tangoed this morning.

Photos at https://flic.kr/s/aHsmhZQvpq

Painted gold and black and right in the heart of West Brom territory: sacrilege.

 

[bussnapperwm]

Painted gold and black and right in the heart of West Brom territory: sacrilege.

More like Wolverhamptons revenge on that West Brom bunch of losers

 

[DJames]

More like Wolverhamptons revenge on that West Brom bunch of losers

Still pride of the Midlands though, unlike a certain Staffordshire club.

 

[bussnapperwm]

Still pride of the Midlands though, unlike a certain Staffordshire club.

Yeah, Stoke City are a bunch of losers too...

 

[Spirit555]

170512 Tangoed

https://www.flickr.com/photos/135365957@N02/44462056242/in/dateposted-public/

 

[sd0733]

Losing track.a bit but can't see these mentioned. 323220 and 170515 both out In orange today.

 

[Spirit555]

Hamstead Station in the process of being Tangoed

 

[pt_mad]

There isn't much need because (a) there are no reservations, and (b) the old lettering was meaningless because letters were repeated in an 8 or 12 car set. Getting rid is probably the most sensible option, or if viable implementing the SWT numbering system - in the case of a split/join you need to know the coach number while inside, as seeing which the front 4 are is easy from outside.

If I ever wanted to meet someone on a long 350 formation I'd say something like "second from the front" or "back", those being the ones I tend to go for anyway as they are the quietest from Euston, at least from the "long" platforms.

This SWR numbering system sounds intriguing, what does it involve?

 

[PaintYourWagon]

My current summary [from the fleet livery lists page]
London Northwestern Railway
FULL : Class 350 : 350369/373/374/375.
Basic [temporary]: Class 350 : 350262/267.
West Midland Railways
FULL : Class 172 : 172335/342.
Orange [temporary] Class 170 : 170503-504/506-508/511-512/515-516.
Orange [temporary] Class 323 : 323202-205/209/212-213/216/220.
Purple [temporary] Class 172 : 172339.

 

[Bletchleyite]

This SWR numbering system sounds intriguing, what does it involve?

Same as Southern Electrostars pretty much. The train automatically numbers the front coach 1 and then numbers backwards up to whatever the back coach is (e.g. 12) and shows this on the interior screens and announcements ("This is coach 7 of 9" ) so everyone knows they are in the right bit for SDO and splitting/joining.

 

[pt_mad]

Hmm. Could they potentially label each 350 set inside, on the clear vestibule dividers and interiors doors, with permant stickers:
Each 350 is known as either 'set 1'or 'set 2' or 'set 3' ''set 4'...'set 30', and then where they use SDO, announce ''passengers for Penkridge need to move forward through the train to set 4. The doors will only open in set 4 at Penkridge. Any passengers currently located within set 8 need to move forward through the train to the area marked set 4 to be able to leave the train at Penkridge, thank you". ?

So basically only one 350 in the fleet is called set 4 inside, another is set 5, another 350 is set 6 etc. On a given day you could end up with set 7 joined to set 18, and announce passengers for x need to move forward through the train to the area marked set 18. The doors will not open in set 7 at x, please move forward through the train to the part of the train marked set 18 if you wish to leave at x".

Or is that just too complicated for the general public?

 

[pt_mad]

https://mobile.twitter.com/samjessupdesign

@samjessupdesign
Replying to
@captainelectra
Not huge changes Adam, same basic design, less green coverage on body ends (to give the design more symmetry), both big and small logos have been resized and repositioned, everything has been lined up a little more, First Class stripes added, metallic vinyl wrap all round.
7:54 am · 22 Aug 2018

So that confirms the changes since 350373.

So thoughts that the large W looked to have been resized were right. And full metallic.
Are any other TOC liveries in full metallic at present?

 

[Spirit555]

Has anyone any info as to why they appear to have stopped doing 323's after 323203. Not seen any "new" since this one

Mark

 

[59CosG95]

Saw over on Instagram that 350234 has also gained the "outgoing" LNW livery.

 

[sd0733]

170510 and 350263 are also now in the outgoing livery.

 

[pt_mad]

Looks like LNR are cooking on gas now then.

 

[sd0733]

350240 Will be next into the temporary livery, swapped out today to take it's place for relivery overnight.

 

[pt_mad]

350240 Will be next into the temporary livery, swapped out today to take it's place for relivery overnight.

Can they revinyl them completely in one night? Impressive if that's the case.