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Wimbledon branch
Worst in what way? Not the most frequent or regular service I admit (well it wasn't when I used it in the last millennium), but it has interesting stations and some tantalising views over rooftops and into backyards.Wimbledon branch
Is a branch of the District Line, not a Line.Wimbledon branch
Is a branch of the District Line, not a Line.
Worst in what way? Not the most frequent or regular service I admit (well it wasn't when I used it in the last millennium), but it has interesting stations and some tantalising views over rooftops and into backyards.
last tube is quite early
0052 from Earl’s Court Is quite early?
From the City or anywhere not in Kensington it is much earlier
Early in the morning.0052 from Earl’s Court Is quite early?
The subsurface lines (which I see as one in the same), they're slow, complicated, infrequent and unreliable
Atleast you get A/CThe subsurface lines (which I see as one in the same), they're slow, complicated, infrequent and unreliable
The subsurface lines (which I see as one in the same), they're slow, complicated, infrequent and unreliable
Recent issues; flooding at Gunnersbury; point failures at Richmond; power cable issues at Gunnersbury; all NR infrastructureReliability is an ongoing issue though. I'd love to know what exactly the issue is from Richmond to Turnham Green as this section is frequently suspended.
For "complicated" read "interesting"...
Ah - yes - the "real trains", and the terminating Mets too...Not quite the same without the Thameslink trains at Moorgate anymore though! Was astonished to see that for the first time as a child
They've certainly improved since the new signalling was fully installed in the central area. Previously you just used to be lucky to even have any up next information in some staions so having some proper countdowns of the next few trains is a huge improvement.
Regarding complication one change I would make would be to split the Edgware Road/Wimbledon District line into its own line given it largely operates a distinct route, let's call it the Wimbledon line.
Reliability is an ongoing issue though. I'd love to know what exactly the issue is from Richmond to Turnham Green as this section is frequently suspended.
The Womble Line, please! Or divert it to Olympia so that it can connect with the Overground and do it properly.Regarding complication one change I would make would be to split the Edgware Road/Wimbledon District line into its own line given it largely operates a distinct route, let's call it the Wimbledon line.
It already connects with the Overground at West Brompton.The Womble Line, please! Or divert it to Olympia so that it can connect with the Overground and do it properly.
Recent issues; flooding at Gunnersbury; point failures at Richmond; power cable issues at Gunnersbury; all NR infrastructure
Seconded. I used to do Pad - KGX or Liv St regularly and having to change and go over the footbridge was a real pain, especially when carrying a heavy bag. I too now go via Crossrail (and Thameslink for KGX).Circle/Hammersmith and City the worst for me. Slow, sometimes very long gaps between trains and sometimes interminable time sat at stations. Thankfully Crossrail makes the Liverpool Street to Paddington transfer much quicker and more reliable now.
But why is the section to Turnham Green so unreliable?
And same outside of Wimbledon Park, why?
I'd add that LU have more incident response staff within smaller geographical areas. NR staff often cover a very wide area so any response is inevitably slower especially if multiple incidents occur. LU also have arrangements in conjunction with BTP for blue light response if required.Often it is not that these sections are not significantly more unreliable, but Network Rail respond to incidents in a very different manner to London Underground. It is noticeable how much slower when an incident occurs the response takes, partly down to rules and procedures which are not suited to a rapid transit railway; these include inflexible and slow track access arrangements, switching of traction current (in particular on the Wimbledon branch where they are reluctant to switch off power due to impacts on the main line), inflexible working arrangements, and a general poor overall command and control structure.
The Wimbledon branch suffers because of the separation between track ownership and maintenance (LUL) and operation of the signals and power supply (NR).
The Richmond branch is an outpost of Network Rail's Anglia Route. It effectively suffers because it is a low priority being such an obscure and out of the way, incident responders are based at Willesden or may be beyond so can take some time to get to site.
Ironic that the District is part suspended on the Wimbledon banch due to a NR track fault at Wimbledon Park.Often it is not that these sections are not significantly more unreliable, but Network Rail respond to incidents in a very different manner to London Underground. It is noticeable how much slower when an incident occurs the response takes, partly down to rules and procedures which are not suited to a rapid transit railway; these include inflexible and slow track access arrangements, switching of traction current (in particular on the Wimbledon branch where they are reluctant to switch off power due to impacts on the main line), inflexible working arrangements, and a general poor overall command and control structure.
The Wimbledon branch suffers because of the separation between track ownership and maintenance (LUL) and operation of the signals and power supply (NR).
The Richmond branch is an outpost of Network Rail's Anglia Route. It effectively suffers because it is a low priority being such an obscure and out of the way, incident responders are based at Willesden or may be beyond so can take some time to get to site.
Well not physically I think but it wouldn't be too difficult to arrange.It already connects with the Overground at West Brompton.
The Overground and its predecessor have had platforms at West Brompton, within the same station as the District line, since 1999.Well not physically I think but it wouldn't be too difficult to arrange.
I know that. But as far as I know there is no physical connection between the two lines.The Overground and its predecessor have had platforms at West Brompton, within the same station as the District line, since 1999.
What would the advantage be of a connection between the WLL and District line?I know that. But as far as I know there is no physical connection between the two lines.
Not much I suppose. It's just following the fantasy tangent of the Womble line being a mix of under- and overground.What would the advantage be of a connection between the WLL and District line?
You still have a similar effect at Farringdon.Not quite the same without the Thameslink trains at Moorgate anymore though! Was astonished to see that for the first time as a child