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Most deserving town to be reconnected to Rail Network

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The Ham

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You work for Network Rail, you have a big pot of money and you can reconnect 1 town to the National Rail Network. Which one would you choose and why?

If I worked for NR and were able to (re)connect any town to the national rail network, the town that I would choose would the one that would contribute the most to a fund to be used for my personal benefit!

(or is that not really in the spirit of the question)

Depending on the size of the pot, I would either connect Tavistock (both to the north and south), New Alresford (both to Alton & Winchester), Helston, Isfield (both to Lewis and Uckfield), Cranleigh (both to Guildford and Horsham) or Hythe (Hampshire).
 
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The 'Connecting Communities' report makes interesting reading. The table at appendix one lists various potential reopenings in order of BCR (benefit/cost ratio). What I find surprising is that some (such as Witney) require the reopening of routes that were probably never economically viable in the past. How things change.
 

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The one I would vote for (that I don't think has been mentioned yet) is Leigh in Lancs. Also Market Weighton between York and Beverley.
 

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Dunstable, as an extension of the Luton Thameslink service and to kill that busway that they want to rebuild on the trackbed.

I would also back both Washington and Ripon, which might make a useful route in Newcastle-Leeds via Washington and Harrogate, plus a decent freight diversionary route, ideally involving a triangle at Harrogate so that up coal trains no longer have to cross the ECML on the flat at York.
 

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England - Witney
Scotland - Callander

Some of the former trackbed has been built upon in both cases, but nothing is insurmountable.

When a new motorway or bypass is built - they aren't build on an existing embankment, why would a new railway?
 

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Barnard Castle - the A66 would be a lot less congested if the Stainmore line had survived.
 

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I'm going to say Llangollen Simply because then it could join up with the Preserved line...
 

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Having been there recently, I'd concur with Bo'ness and Grangemouth, on the condition that the former has its full name used for nothing more than for the sake of it ;) But seriously though, they are two quite large places to not have an actual NR station in the town (and rely on the Bo'ness-Kinneil or Linlithgow and Polmont), I'd fully support a new line serving the two from Edinburgh.
 

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I'd say Witney has next to no chance of getting a railway line anytime soon (mostly because of the effective impossibility of putting it on a route to anywhere that would be financially viable, or worth having anything other than a fairly infrequent service on, quite apart from various difficulties with what remains of the old route). It does strike me as a logical destination for a Cambridge-style guided busway (or, at a stretch, a long-distance tram/light rail system) from Oxford, though. The frequent, well-used, high quality, bus service from Oxford shows the demand is there -and (as a former commuter from Witney) I can say that the A40 traffic is a nightmare, in the morning peaks especially.

(I suspect the lack of railway line, and generally abysmal links to the outside world, are a major factor that has allowed Witney to keep its medieval charm and generally remain a delightful place, in some kind of splendid isolation from the modern world, in some regards)

It looks though Wantage (or at any rate "Wantage Road"/Grove) is the only place in this area that has a reasonable chance of getting a station re-opened anytime soon - although if (as the report linked earlier in this thread suggests) the train service is intended to be just a shuttle from Didcot, I can't help but wonder how well-used, or how frequent, such a service will be (the bus service to Wantage from Didcot is, at best, hourly*, with no evening service, and isn't particularly well used). And obviously the location of the station site well outside of Wantage (and indeed, outside of Grove) is far from ideal, too.

*there are two an hour in the daytime Mon-Fri, on different routes, but one route is so roundabout and slow that it is usually quicker to wait for the other one

St Andrews seems an obvious place to mention here, too. And one that is hopefully likely to happen.
 

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Witney residents might regret that modern politics makes personal-benefit projects so hard to get through.

If things were laxer there's a chap who comes from there who did quite well for himself...
 

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I'd say Witney has next to no chance of getting a railway line anytime soon (mostly because of the effective impossibility of putting it on a route to anywhere that would be financially viable, or worth having anything other than a fairly infrequent service on, quite apart from various difficulties with what remains of the old route). It does strike me as a logical destination for a Cambridge-style guided busway (or, at a stretch, a long-distance tram/light rail system) from Oxford, though. The frequent, well-used, high quality, bus service from Oxford shows the demand is there -and (as a former commuter from Witney) I can say that the A40 traffic is a nightmare, in the morning peaks especially.

(I suspect the lack of railway line, and generally abysmal links to the outside world, are a major factor that has allowed Witney to keep its medieval charm and generally remain a delightful place, in some kind of splendid isolation from the modern world, in some regards)

It looks though Wantage (or at any rate "Wantage Road"/Grove) is the only place in this area that has a reasonable chance of getting a station re-opened anytime soon - although if (as the report linked earlier in this thread suggests) the train service is intended to be just a shuttle from Didcot, I can't help but wonder how well-used, or how frequent, such a service will be (the bus service to Wantage from Didcot is, at best, hourly, with no evening service, and isn't particularly well used). And obviously the location of the station site well outside of Wantage (and indeed, outside of Grove) is far from ideal, too.

Looking at the map, I can't see any reason why a line couldn't exist between Witney and Combe, on the Cotswolds route. It's only about 4mi or so, and could easily be built with only one track without trouble. To justify things more easily, it could even run beyond Oxford, assuming the local stations (although longer-distance trains could still call at Radley to keep Abingdon commuters sweet), and Didcot, and then reverse to Wantage. Essentially, the plan is for a local Oxford commuter route, with plentiful connections to London services.

Or is this more pie-in-the-sky thinking?
 

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I don't know, Ivo, it's an interesting idea, but I'm not convinced that heavy rail is the most effective means of providing such a network of services. (It is also true that Oxfordshire - or at any rate certain parts of it - has, for a shire county, an unusually good network of rural bus services - and, unusually good quality bus operators, generally in the same part of the county, too)

The problems I see with your proposal (none of which are, ultimately, insurmountable, I suppose - and indeed some of them will be resolved in the relatively near future) include:

- limited capacity on the North Cotswolds line (at least until the section between Wolvercote and Charlbury is redoubled), as well as around Wolvercote junction. And also, at least for some more years, at and around Oxford station

- the old chestnut of the unattractive location of Oxford station for the city (the question of where a station in Witney would go, approached from this direction, is another potential problem - maybe a "parkway" on the northern edge of the town might work, but it'd be hard to get to the centre. Sainsbury's is now where the original station was)

- the former route (while requiring a longer branch line) at least served one further source of custom (Eynsham). Between Witney and Combe it's mostly fields and the odd hamlet.... How about converting Hanborough into a "Witney Parkway" station, and providing some form of frequent, enhanced transport (busway/light rail), from there? Main problem: the relatively infrequent (=hourly) train service to Hanborough. Solution: extend the local services that terminate at Oxford. Obviously this then creates other problems...

- I can't see how such a plan, when all factors are considered, would compete attractively on time or cost with car or even existing bus services (even with current A40 levels of congestion) . Combe to Oxford is already typically a 15-20 minute journey; Oxford to Didcot can easily be another 20 minutes. If there were to be a *frequent* train service, perhaps this would work (bear in mind there are typically as many as 6 direct buses an hour between Witney and Oxford in the daytimes, even outside the peaks), but I can't imagine something even close to a turn-up-and-go service being viable for such a route....

It'd surely be much easier to reconnect Chipping Norton to the rail network (even if the town is much smaller than Witney, and wealthier, and with less demand for rail)...

There definitely needs to be some blue-sky thinking in this area - but I think that relying on the Cotswold line, at all, probably creates more problems than it might resolve. I'd probably favour an entirely new route from Witney, south of the old route, joining straight onto the main line just outside Oxford (perhaps with a new station at Kennington)....but I can't quite see this happening either...
 

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Lyme Regis, West Bay and Bridport. They wouldn't see much traffic bar in the summer but it would definitely render a service, even in the winter.
 

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For purely selfish reasons, I'd agree, though there is also a good business case with the town's profile and visitor numbers increasing by the day, poor existing transport links, and stations at Woolacombe and Braunton would be very well used. Even the vast majority of the trackbed is intact - the only problems being crossing the river at Barnstaple (a new bridge adjacent to the new A361 bridge would be best here), developments meaning that half of Braunton would need to be demolished, and the PALL factory in Ilfracombe, although relocating that wouldn't be too much of a problem, I would have thought.

Yes, it wasn't merely chosen for any emotive reasons, although I haven't even thought about sums. The roads are pretty bad, not easy to improve and as flying gets more expensive can only get worse in the summer. As far as transport goes in that area Barnstaple is the end of the world :p Might be a nice thought experiment to see if there's a sensible new alignment out of Barnstaple and past Braunton one day.

Someone mentioned Lyme Regis; maybe if you could sensibly mothball a railway for half the year!
 

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I don't know, Ivo, it's an interesting idea, but I'm not convinced that heavy rail is the most effective means of providing such a network of services. (It is also true that Oxfordshire - or at any rate certain parts of it - has, for a shire county, an unusually good network of rural bus services - and, unusually good quality bus operators, generally in the same part of the county, too)

The problems I see with your proposal (none of which are, ultimately, insurmountable, I suppose - and indeed some of them will be resolved in the relatively near future) include:

- limited capacity on the North Cotswolds line (at least until the section between Wolvercote and Charlbury is redoubled), as well as around Wolvercote junction. And also, at least for some more years, at and around Oxford station

- the old chestnut of the unattractive location of Oxford station for the city (the question of where a station in Witney would go, approached from this direction, is another potential problem - maybe a "parkway" on the northern edge of the town might work, but it'd be hard to get to the centre. Sainsbury's is now where the original station was)

- the former route (while requiring a longer branch line) at least served one further source of custom (Eynsham). Between Witney and Combe it's mostly fields and the odd hamlet.... How about converting Hanborough into a "Witney Parkway" station, and providing some form of frequent, enhanced transport (busway/light rail), from there? Main problem: the relatively infrequent (=hourly) train service to Hanborough. Solution: extend the local services that terminate at Oxford. Obviously this then creates other problems...

- I can't see how such a plan, when all factors are considered, would compete attractively on time or cost with car or even existing bus services (even with current A40 levels of congestion) . Combe to Oxford is already typically a 15-20 minute journey; Oxford to Didcot can easily be another 20 minutes. If there were to be a *frequent* train service, perhaps this would work (bear in mind there are typically as many as 6 direct buses an hour between Witney and Oxford in the daytimes, even outside the peaks), but I can't imagine something even close to a turn-up-and-go service being viable for such a route....

It'd surely be much easier to reconnect Chipping Norton to the rail network (even if the town is much smaller than Witney, and wealthier, and with less demand for rail)...

There definitely needs to be some blue-sky thinking in this area - but I think that relying on the Cotswold line, at all, probably creates more problems than it might resolve. I'd probably favour an entirely new route from Witney, south of the old route, joining straight onto the main line just outside Oxford (perhaps with a new station at Kennington)....but I can't quite see this happening either...

You are right, there is unlikely to be much demand for Wintey/Oxford with the number of buses which run that route, but if you where to use the old route, it would be poissible to use the roling stock which is normally left at Oxford when the train splits to head through Moreton-In-Marsh. Making it pratical for London bound trips, which is likely to be more attractive than a bus to Oxford and then a train.

As a rough guide it is likely to be a 30 minute round trip from Oxford (average speed of about 50mph and a few minutes for turn around), meanig that the empty stock could run up to Wintey and be back in time to make up the other part of the next return train to London.

The other alternitive would be to run a metro type service between Wintey and the Oxford Services (Park and Rail?) uterlising the existing track bed and build a few more stations around Oxford. Although this is likely to cause more problems with capacity and not attact as many passengers even though it serves more places.
 
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Fleetwood will hopefully be reconnected soon - within the next 10 years!
Siting of the new terminus station will be an important consideration.

The closing of the original terminus station probably helped its demise.
With Fleetwood being a port, to me, it seems unbelievable it was allowed to close.

Looking at an old passenger density map, line closures were not logical based on that information!
http://www.joyce.whitchurch.btinternet.co.uk/maps/density.jpg

Fleetwood also has a football league club, it seems rather unfair that travelling fans have to lugg themselfs back and forward all the way from Blackpool North
 

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Fleetwood also has a football league club, it seems rather unfair that travelling fans have to lugg themselfs back and forward all the way from Blackpool North

It's connected to Blackpool by a tram though. (Rather the same as Hillsborough, which is three miles from Sheffield or Meadowhall stations but has a tram service from there.)

Incidentally, Oldham Athletic's ground actually seems to be closer to Mills Hill than Oldham Mumps.
 
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It's connected to Blackpool by a tram though. (Rather the same as Hillsborough, which is three miles from Sheffield or Meadowhall stations but has a tram service from there.)

Incidentally, Oldham Athletic's ground actually seems to be closer to Mills Hill than Oldham Mumps.

Blackpool North Station ...walk to North Pier 8 minutes..then tram 35 minutes to Fleetwood.. then another brisk walk to the stadium!!
Or take No 1 bus from North Pier which stops close to the FC.
 

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Blackpool North Station ...walk to North Pier 8 minutes..then tram 35 minutes to Fleetwood.. then another brisk walk to the stadium!!
Or take No 1 bus from North Pier which stops close to the FC.

Cheers for that, I'll be up there in January. The walk from South is shorter isn't it?
 

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Some excellent suggestions here. Even if only 10% of commuters ditched their cars for the trains on these suggested routes it would do the roads a world of good.
 

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Even if only 10% of commuters ditched their cars for the trains on these suggested routes it would do the roads a world of good.

The railway might end up collapsing under the weight of extra users though!
 

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Denton - population of 34,000.

Only town in Tameside, apart from Droylsden which is getting Metrolink, that has no regular rail service.

The good news is there is already a line and a station, just have to find some paths and trains for it.
 
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