preserved slam door in Clap Junc sidings today

[bakerstreet]

Looking in superb nick.
In BR colours.
Not sure what it was but numbers on car I could see were 3714 I think.
Still there Sunday 1920.

 

[swt_passenger]

That is 3417, and that's where it lives normally, isn't it?

 

[bakerstreet]

Thanks. Never seen it there before !

 

[DarloRich]

it is living there at the present time:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darlo2009/8607162946

 

[bakerstreet]

Still miss the slams on the SWML. Life moves on I know!

 

[yorksrob]

Hopefully 3417 will do a tour some day.

 

[12CSVT]

Hopefully 3417 will do a tour some day.

You'll have a chance to ride on it in 2 weeks time (albeit as hauled stock) at the Mid Hants gala, then on 10th to 12th May at the Swanage gala.

http://www.watercressline.co.uk/shopimages/products/extras/DieselGala.pdf

http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/diesel_gala_13.htm

 

[yorksrob]

You'll have a chance to ride on it in 2 weeks time (albeit as hauled stock) at the Mid Hants gala, then on 10th to 12th May at the Swanage gala.

http://www.watercressline.co.uk/shopimages/products/extras/DieselGala.pdf

http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/diesel_gala_13.htm

That would be nice (although sadly I'm likely to be stuck up here in Yorkshire) but I'm really hoping to ride it on the electrified Southern Region some day !

 

[SEG3142]

3417 was moved out of the shed yesterday and onto the juice. As previously mentioned it'll move to the Mid Hants soon.

There are other slam door units (Cigs) you can ride on - 1498 on the Epping Ongar Railway was running this weekend - and the "daddy" of the Cigs and Veps, 4Cor 3142 will be running at the East Kent Railway on July 14th

Keep an eye on http://www.southernelectric.org.uk/preservation/emu-running-days.html to see EMU running days - more dates will be added as they are confirmed.

If you can get to a railway to ride on these preserved EMUs, then please do - all EMU owning groups will appreciate your support!

 

[yorksrob]

3417 was moved out of the shed yesterday and onto the juice. As previously mentioned it'll move to the Mid Hants soon.

There are other slam door units (Cigs) you can ride on - 1498 on the Epping Ongar Railway was running this weekend - and the "daddy" of the Cigs and Veps, 4Cor 3142 will be running at the East Kent Railway on July 14th

Keep an eye on http://www.southernelectric.org.uk/preservation/emu-running-days.html to see EMU running days - more dates will be added as they are confirmed.

If you can get to a railway to ride on these preserved EMUs, then please do - all EMU owning groups will appreciate your support!

Cheers - saved onto my favourites bar. I did go on the EPB at the EKR a couple of years back, which was very good.

 

[bronzeonion]

Now the ban on MK1's being on the ends of a set of carriages has been lifted, does this mean if 3417 gets a mainline certificate it will be allowed to run under it's own power on the mainline again?

 

[Monty]

Now the ban on MK1's being on the ends of a set of carriages has been lifted, does this mean if 3417 gets a mainline certificate it will be allowed to run under it's own power on the mainline again?

It will need fitting with CDL before that (as well as the obvious installation on modern safety and communication equipment), and that's a lot of door mechinisms for a VEP!

 

[bronzeonion]

It will need fitting with CDL before that (as well as the obvious installation on modern safety and communication equipment), and that's a lot of door mechinisms for a VEP!

Wouldn't secondary door locking be okay? The sliding bolt type fitted to most railtour MK1's and 2's? Mind you like you said about the number of doors that's a hell of a lot of stewards needed to unlock them all! Though I have seen passengers unlocking the doors themselves in order to leave the train on a railtour.

 

[yorksrob]

It will need fitting with CDL before that (as well as the obvious installation on modern safety and communication equipment), and that's a lot of door mechinisms for a VEP!

I heard that CDL wasn't a requirement for railtours so long as each carriage had a steward ?

 

[SEG3142]

Now the ban on MK1's being on the ends of a set of carriages has been lifted, does this mean if 3417 gets a mainline certificate it will be allowed to run under it's own power on the mainline again?

As Monty said, any units will need CDL, OTMR, GSM-R etc - these things cost tens of thousands of pounds to fit.

I believe that Cigs 1497/1498 (formerly used on the Lymington branch) have CDL, not sure on the other bits.

If you want to see (as we do) the old slammers running on the juice, the best thing to do is join one of the EMU groups such as the Southern Electric Group, EPBPG, EMUPS etc and help out behind the scenes, either with physical restoration or sales and marketing or HLF applications or something.

There is a lot of interest in EMU preservation, but not much manpower or money. I think all EMU groups will appreciate some extra help and money!
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Cheers - saved onto my favourites bar. I did go on the EPB at the EKR a couple of years back, which was very good.

If you visit the East Kent Railway on July 14th, you get a chance to ride the 1938 built 4Cor. It will be running as a 2Cor this year, one vehicle of which will be running for the first time in over 40 years following it's restoration at the LT Museum in Acton.

 

[yorksrob]

As Monty said, any units will need CDL, OTMR, GSM-R etc - these things cost tens of thousands of pounds to fit.

I sympathise entirely.

It seems like health and safety gone mad (I know it's a cliche but it's fitting on this occasion) that the powers that be are insisting that trains which are never going to be in public service should have to have CDL fitted.

 

[455driver]

I sympathise entirely.

It seems like health and safety gone mad (I know it's a cliche but it's fitting on this occasion) that the powers that be are insisting that trains which are never going to be in public service should have to have CDL fitted.

H&S has to protect the stupid from themselves, a passenger on a railtour is still a member of the public.

Close up picture of 3417 at Clapham-

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46912176@N06/8649322679/in/photostream/

 

[bronzeonion]

How many incidents involving slam door stock before being fitted with CDL actually happened?

 

[yorksrob]

H&S has to protect the stupid from themselves, a passenger on a railtour is still a member of the public.

Close up picture of 3417 at Clapham-

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46912176@N06/8649322679/in/photostream/

Members of the public who have all made a conscious decision to travel on a vintage train and as such are as capable of assessing the "risk" of using a train door as people who assess the risk of cycling in mixed traffic on the public highway or who assess the risk of going on holiday to North Korea with the BBC in tow.

Lovely phot though btw

 

[SEG3142]

How many incidents involving slam door stock before being fitted with CDL actually happened?

dozens .... hundreds .... thousands ....

the most common being that passengers used to try and board the train as it was pulling away .... or opening the door and jumping out while the train was still slowing down to stop .... sometimes they fell .... i've seen passengers on the platform being hit by open doors or being knocked flying by a passenger jumping out of a moving train ....
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H&S has to protect the stupid from themselves, a passenger on a railtour is still a member of the public.

it's more about protecting the innocent from the stupid!

 

[yorksrob]

If they're that dangerous, one wonders how so many private railways seem to manage with them.

 

[ainsworth74]

If they're that dangerous, one wonders how so many private railways seem to manage with them.

By having central door locking?

 

[cjmillsnun]

How many incidents involving slam door stock before being fitted with CDL actually happened?

Enough for the HSE to produce a report on incidents from IC (Mk2 and 3 coaches). It eventually led to the CDL being fitted to that stock.

http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/docsummary.php?docID=393

 

[yorksrob]

By having central door locking?

Since when have preserved railways had central door locking !

 

[yummy125]

Now the ban on MK1's being on the ends of a set of carriages has been lifted, does this mean if 3417 gets a mainline certificate it will be allowed to run under it's own power on the mainline again?

I'll love to see 3417 get hooked up to a 33/1 being pushed on a Waterloo - Salisbury speical

I'll be at the Mid Hants Gala to get a ride on "Gordon"

 

[yorksrob]

Could the owners of the VEP not just apply for an exemption from fitting CDL, as several operators have already done:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/nav.1247

This would surely make mainline running of something like the VEP a lot more likely.

 

[Chris125]

Could the owners of the VEP not just apply for an exemption from fitting CDL, as several operators have already done:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/nav.1247

This would surely make mainline running of something like the VEP a lot more likely.

While you can get an exemption from fitting CDL, i believe some form of secondary locking is still necessary for mainline operation. The simplest solution may be to keep many of the doors out of use, with the rest fitted either with CDL or secondary locking operated by stewards.

CHris

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

H&S has to protect the stupid from themselves, a passenger on a railtour is still a member of the public.

Close up picture of 3417 at Clapham-

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46912176@N06/8649322679/in/photostream/

Great Picture. Is this the unit that the Bluebell Railway own by any chance?

 

[Lrd]

Great Picture. Is this the unit that the Bluebell Railway own by any chance?

Indeed it is.

 

[455driver]

Thanks to you both for the compliments, the picture was taken by resting the camera on the foot board of the 444 on the next siding, holding the camera steady and pressing the button.
It came out rather well considering its only a compact camera.

3417 is owned by the Bluebell railway but is looked after by some people from Wimbledon depot.